hedge Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Afraid not as ive not been shooting in years. Doesn't matter. Join BASC now. It's cheaper than £5k. That's what they are there for - standing up for shooter's rights. Don't wish to sound rude, but you are asking people for their opinions on a subject when the BASC can state the facts, fight your corner and probably be far more effective than most of us put together! It will be money well spent and you will know where you stand well before you get anywhere near spending £5k. Good luck with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Exactly what grounds did they state? Did you see the letter from the Doctor? They just said "I am not satisfied that you are able to possess shot guns without danger to public safety or to the peace at this time" and no i havent seen the doctors letter but he seemed to be fine when I met him. Edited November 4, 2014 by ronttuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 i would ask the doctor what he wrote, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Your tickets were revoked for acting violently ... my revoke ...... ...... was a domestic incident when I gave a bloke a slap for hitting my son,as i said ive not had a drink in 5yrs and never touched illegal drugs In a case like this, the police are being very cautious. In far too many cases, they've returned FAC/SGC, with tragic consequences. Think Newport (south Wales) last year, Durham, the very recent double murder trial in Surrey. They will be looking at everything, domestic situation, the lot, before coming to a conclusion. They are also now far more likely to refuse, given any incidents of violence in someone's recent past. The only route open to you now is to appeal, or to leave it another few years, and then apply again. Before you go down the appeal route, here is a case that might be of interest, he was cautioned for affray (you did not say whether you were convicted, cautioned, etc) http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2014/09/22/clay-shoot-owners-gun-licence-plea-fails/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) They just said "I am not satisfied that you are able to possess shot guns without danger to public safety or to the peace at this time" and no i havent seen the doctors letter but he seemed to be fine when I met him. I would think you have a right to see that. Also more details on exactly what grounds you are not fit to hold a SGC. Is it medical, or your previous revocation? Edited November 4, 2014 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I have applied for subject access request from the FOI dept it costs £10.00 and they have to disclose all the information they have on me but it takes up to 40 days so i also have requested a stay on the 21 day appeal seeing as it has taking 16months to get this far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) I have applied for subject access request from the FOI dept it costs £10.00 and they have to disclose all the information they have on me but it takes up to 40 days so i also have requested a stay on the 21 day appeal seeing as it has taking 16months to get this far. You can also request a copy of your doctors letter ( if he did one ) as it is on your medical records. Just ring your surgery and explain you would like a copy, it will come unsigned from them, however you will have a copy for your appeal TEH Edited November 4, 2014 by The Essex Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 The medical report could well have no bearing whatsoever on their decision. Also remember that such a decision would have been authorised by a senior police officer. Acts of violence are frowned upon, particularly when such an act resulted in a revocation. However, if you still feel that your application has been treated unjustly why not invest a few quid in seeking advice from a solicitor specialising in firearms such as David Barrington Barnes.................. http://www.shootinglaw.co.uk/ That would certainly be my first step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 You can also request a copy of your doctors letter ( if he did one ) as it is on your medical records. Just ring your surgery and explain you would like a copy, it will come unsigned from them, however you will have a copy for your appeal TEH It wasnt my doctor it a was a doctor working for the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 It wasnt my doctor it a was a doctor working for the police. ok fair enough, I miss read it...any way good luck TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 It wasnt my doctor it a was a doctor working for the police. Did you pay for the letter ? Are you in Surrey? I can imagine them being twitchy/over cautious at present! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) Just a heads up re-BASC, join by all means and they will give you advice BUT they will not provide any legal assistance for an appeal as this is an ongoing situation which started before joining them so isn't covered by their legal expenses policy. We have a similar situation with my son who has Aspergers and Durham are repeatedly moving the goal posts as to why they don't want to let him have his SGC/FAC, first it was "violence and aggression issues" then when we got a consultant psychiatrists report stating he has no such issues they've now said his "adaptive reasoning" isn't good enough but don't/won't say exactly what they mean. BASC advised to get it refused and appeal but then said they wouldn't provide any legal cover as this all started before he joined them. Edited November 5, 2014 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Looking through this thread, I notice that someone did ask the OP if he got a criminal record for the 'incident' that led to his SGC/FAC being revoked. I also notice that the question was not answered, but the OP has answered most questions asked. So I'm not sure if it's an oversight, or being evasive / economical with the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 No he clearly said that he got as criminal record for a domestic incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 No he clearly said that he got as criminal record for a domestic incident. Go on. Post a link where he says that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 i did and have mentioned before got a prosecuted for, threatening behaviour, harassment (no violent) ( two years probation)and due to a paper work error my moderator was not registered fitted to my .17hmr although I had permission to have one so i got prosecuted for selling or transferring a shot gun without notifying the fire arms dept,(conditional discharge for 12 months) the conditions were that I wouldn't do it again god knows how i could after my licence was revoked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 i did and have mentioned before got a prosecuted for, threatening behaviour, harassment (no violent) ( two years probation)and due to a paper work error my moderator was not registered fitted to my .17hmr although I had permission to have one so i got prosecuted for selling or transferring a shot gun without notifying the fire arms dept,(conditional discharge for 12 months) the conditions were that I wouldn't do it again god knows how i could after my licence was revoked And you expected them to issue you a sgc, really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 i did and have mentioned before got a prosecuted for, threatening behaviour, harassment (no violent) ( two years probation)and due to a paper work error my moderator was not registered fitted to my .17hmr although I had permission to have one so i got prosecuted for selling or transferring a shot gun without notifying the fire arms dept,(conditional discharge for 12 months) the conditions were that I wouldn't do it again god knows how i could after my licence was revoked so an off ticket mod was on your 17hmr even though you had a slot for one, and you had failed to notify the firearms dept of the acquisition? Probably need to leave it another 5 years and then if you still want to re-apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 it was all back in 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 So revoked in 2006? Reapplied last year? Refused after 16 months? Any contact with the police between? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 So revoked in 2006? Reapplied last year? Refused after 16 months? Any contact with the police between? nope not even a parking ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Have you read the guidance notes on refusal procedure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 TBH - I think they've decided they don't want to give you one, even if you are technically allowed to have one. There are imagining the (potential) headlines "Police give criminal his guns back - goes on shooting rampage" blah blah blah We've all seen the news about John Lowe and every Police force will be acutely aware of not getting bad press or making a mistake. Your offence of Threatening Behaviour (and any type of implied voilence), linked with a firearms related prosecution (whether it was an admin error or not - you were prosecuted) really doesn't look good. Ultimately I think it's the Chief Constable who grants the Licence and they will have to balance the risks etc. Obviously the easy answer is to say `no`. I'd still join BASC just so you can get some advice. They may say `drop it` or they may say you have a really good case. As has been said, you won't get the legal support but you'll get some damn good advice. I'm no expert (I don't think any of us are) but I'm used to making decisions based upon facts v's risk and I'm afraid you are probably seen to be very high risk (bit like car insurance companies risk scoring people who have a lot of crashes). You have a criminal record for `violence`, `harassment` and a firearms offence. No matter that the circumstances are, that's what's on your record. Maybe not what you want to hear but just looking at it objectively. Good luck with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted November 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Have you read the guidance notes on refusal procedure? where would I find that ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Anyone would pass, surely? Unless, of course, you went to the test immediately after having had a drink which no one apart from the terminally stupid would do. J. Liver function test will tell them if you are an alcoholic even if you have not drunk for some time. Surely it will simply tell them how your liver is functioning? J. This is an old topic but the medication I am on affects my liver function - I get monitored every 8 weeks now (medication for arthritis) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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