aga man Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 just a little video i found on the net. the birds were certainly dead in the air, but it looks like a tight choke or decoys a bit close http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_uIVwAblwk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I would say that's more the result of the bird being right bang in the pattern , and using a heavy load , something like #5 , the feathers coming from the bird are the result of the shot passing through the bird and taking the small feathers from the back . stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 It's often very difficult to judge distances accurately from photos or video footage. I would be inclined to agree with Stevo on this one without knowing exactly what gun/choke and cartridges the shooter was using. I have to say that he was hitting them square on so some good shooting there, and quite hard with what looked something like a load of maybe size 5 shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Normally I would agree that there would be difficulty in knowing the distance from video footage but there is no way on gods earth these were more than 20 yards away probably a lot closer. You can clearly see the barrels and bird within the frame (both in focus) and the pigeon look like chickens, pathetic - as for sending the dog all over standing peas ! Shot size or choke is immaterial at these ranges, no point plucking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I would say that's more the result of the bird being right bang in the pattern , and using a heavy load , something like #5 , the feathers coming from the bird are the result of the shot passing through the bird and taking the small feathers from the back . stevo The shotsize doesn't make it a heavy load. You could use 1/2oz of 5. That wouldn't be a heavy load. The pigeons are just fairly close, that's all. I guarantee that whatever shotsize used at that range would result in big puffs of feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) Think it was the range that did the damage , with the distance the dog was running I dare say there wasn't a bird over 20yds.. Edited October 19, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) The shotsize doesn't make it a heavy load. You could use 1/2oz of 5. That wouldn't be a heavy load. The pigeons are just fairly close, that's all. I guarantee that whatever shotsize used at that range would result in big puffs of feathers. i meant to put .... and using a heavy load AND , something like #5 my bad ;-) Edited October 19, 2013 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagantino Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 It's a well made film though, focused and showing reaction shots and well edited. I would guess there were many more shots less successful and from greater ranges that never made it into the final film. They are kinda close though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 yep....close birds... very close.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tignme Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 When decoying surely the idea is to decoy the birds into a shootable distance IE 20 to 25 yds or are all of the critics shooting everything way out there i dont think so. Good shooting and good decoying.Shooting at everything within range including close n perimeter birds builds bags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 theres nothing wrong with it, just explains how they went "poof" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I shoot pigeons and corvids with full choke and anywhere from 7.5 to 5,but my favourite are 6.5's when I can get them.It doesn't matter to me how close they are. The pigeons on the vid' seemed hard hit but didn't appear mangled,but as others have said its hard to tell from a film .Good shooting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Nothing wrong with plucked pigeon lol, saves time after the pick up I suppose haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Birds were close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willks84 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Crop protection, dead pigeons??? Sure the farmers not bothered about chokes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Helps if you can eat it though. Wasting food to protect food seems a bit daft to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 On his fox video he shoots three foxes two of which are very close. Either that or he has some decent camera equipment. But I would agree with the others it is not so much the load but the closeness of the birds and I don't think anyone is criticizing him shooting them that close. Also interesting to see him shoot with just a gilli suite on and no formal hide something he does a lot in other videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 The shotsize doesn't make it a heavy load. You could use 1/2oz of 5. That wouldn't be a heavy load. The pigeons are just fairly close, that's all. I guarantee that whatever shotsize used at that range would result in big puffs of feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Sometimes u can't put the deeks where you want on standing crop ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Looks like Good clean kills to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 i think the shots were in norway, and it is mandatory to use steel shot. with steel loads tight patterns and lots of shot. those results look like a whole lot of shot hit the target(s). think 2005 norway went steel only., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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