keg Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 If immigrants are so industrious why aren't their countries more successful than ours and why do they want what we have created for ourselves over the years instead of providing it themselves in their own countries? Simple fact is that our country is better as a result of the labours of the British people and we don't need anyone else but big business wants an over supply of cheap labour to maintain big profits by keeping wages low so that's what we end up with. Low wages or the going rate for the job. I see Red Ed wants to pay a "living wage". In principle I agree with it but in practise, all it will do is put up costs even further. You pay more at the bottom, the costs have to go somewhere... The reason their countries are not as successful is down to their infrastructure and govt, not the workers. If the two Eds get their way, we will go backwards again, they just love state intervention like all good socialists. This Island has always been a lifeboat for people at risk of drowning can get on board. But , what happens when the lifeboat sinks, Because no one will bail out any more? My closest friend who is retired helped with the census a few years ago. When I asked him "how come you are out so late?" his reply was "I can only catch the Polish and East Europeans, when they finish work". The company I work for has taken on people from Europe on telephone sales because they can speak properly ie they say "Think" , and not "Fink", "Three", and not "Free" which is really important when your only contact with the customer is verbally.. (Why is Diction, no longer taught in OUR schools ?) .9 grade A plus exam passes and they can't string a sentence together, Spandit , you hit the nail squarely on the head. I have a twenty eight year old son, who plays on his play station, and moans about immigrants taking jobs,rather than get off his lazy backside and compete with them. Most of us "without Red hair" could probably trace our roots back to immigrants some where along the line. And if you look back 70 years, you may see how many stood along side us against Nazi tyranny. Anyone who pulls their weight , I personally don't have a problem with.! Well put and very true. A number of senior people in several businesses I deal with cannot string a sentence together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Low wages or the going rate for the job. An oversupply of labour will always drive wages down and those at the bottom will generally be stuck with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Do any of the people who write these reports factor in the cost to education, the NHS, massive effect on the court system, interpreters, prisons, benefits etc.? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Anyone who thinks immigration is the major problem in this country has obviously never watched the Jeremy Kyle Show... top reply there Why would any sane person watch such garbage. how do you know its garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Do any of the people who write these reports factor in the cost to education, the NHS, massive effect on the court system, interpreters, prisons, benefits etc.? No. Your exactly right.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 We could do wif a few moor techers in our skhools. Ha Ha Ha but think on this I cannot spell and I admit but I can if I cared to use a spell checker to sort out my problem out you are a fool and there is nothing that you can do about that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Immigration is so good for out country how come it's going down the pan? A living wage for low earners, most people get this. It's just a shame a good majority of it is made up of tax credits because greedy employers let the government pick up the tab for there large profits. As for jobs like fruit and veg picking I should imagine a good number of these workers are either working under radar or Are illegals. Them types of jobs buy en large pay cash for cheap labour which can be taken when your living 6 to a two bedrooms house that is being paid for by the state. And let's not forget about the surge in organised crime that has come with immigration. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 karpman - very few people know or will admit to the scale of the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 The Prisons are FULL of these hard working people.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) I am sure some conservative MP was on sky said an interesting point. The economy grows by immigration because there is more people in work. Paying tax, spending their money on buying products etc and so on... However, more people means more strain on the NHS, schools and more demand for housing which is short as it is. Added to the fact that yes more people are paying tax... But more people will want a state pension... At the end of it. General quality of life remains the same or declines. Edited November 5, 2013 by Malik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 If immigrants are so industrious why aren't their countries more successful than ours and why do they want what we have created for ourselves over the years instead of providing it themselves in their own countries? Simple fact is that our country is better as a result of the labours of the British people and we don't need anyone else but big business wants an over supply of cheap labour to maintain big profits by keeping wages low so that's what we end up with. Agree ,why don't they stay in Germany,Italy or France on their way here.Britain is seen as an easy touch,simple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Agree ,why don't they stay in Germany,Italy or France on their way here.Britain is seen as an easy touch,simple! Theres plenty of Romanian beggers in paris as well as looky looky men there too. Italy has a few looky looky men. As for germany, i am going Berlin next week, so ill find out lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Look at how many countries they come through, before they get here, its amazing how far they walk.. But there is gold in them thar Hills,, Eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Look at how many countries they come through, before they get here, its amazing how far they walk.. But there is gold in them thar Hills,, Eh. That I would agree with that for asylum seekers, they should apply for Asylum in the first country of safety but they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I can assure you that Poland, Germany (Berlin) and France is full of these Romanian beggars (as they have been referred to) and even the Poles are sick of them. You can not get on the tube or a tram but they are there begging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Yeah there only begging until it's time to come here. Then there begging days are over they get paid for nothing and get to make some extra from pick pocketing etc. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Theres plenty of Romanian beggers in paris as well as looky looky men there too. Italy has a few looky looky men. As for germany, i am going Berlin next week, so ill find out lol I can assure you that Poland, Germany (Berlin) and France is full of these Romanian beggars (as they have been referred to) and even the Poles are sick of them. You can not get on the tube or a tram but they are there begging. As it was discussed many times before, those romanian beggers are rroma gypsies, not the regular hard working romanian... i'm a romanian immigrant and i work hard and pay my taxes, never claimed a single penny or ever been to the doctor in 6 years of living in UK... i had served 12 years in the armed forces and fought twice for H.M the Queen in Basra , under British command... have i done enough to deserve a place on this island? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Weather or not you e fought under command of our army or not is of no consequence, thousands of iraqi's have been trained and fought insurgents along side our troops, does that mean they should all be aloud here? Hats off to you for earning a living and not sponging off the system though. There are plenty of hard working immigrants plenty of the polish and Lithuanians at my work are hard working, grab every minute of overtime they can and fair play to them. BUT I think if more was done to push our youth into apprentiships in welding, sheet metal work, engineering or towards uni to do proper courses like nursing/doctors etc and not half the Mickey Mouse bull #hit they can do now this country would be in a far better situation and not need skilled workers. All these jobs in the fields should be forced on the career unemployed not given to gangs of Eastern Europeans or asylum seekers. When I left school I worked in factory's in and around spalding it was at the turning point where we started getting this flood of European migrants and asylum seekers, gangs would be all English one week, get told by their boss the contract would be running out at the end of the week, then the following week same guy rolls up with 10 immigrants on his van leaving 10 English struggling for work. The type of English working in these factories or on the land were either locals with no other jobs for miles around, school leavers like my self with no grades and no direction who just wanted a job or many were the parents of the Jeremy Kyle types who now just bum off the system and moan about foreigners taking their jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Weather or not you e fought under command of our army or not is of no consequence, thousands of iraqi's have been trained and fought insurgents along side our troops, does that mean they should all be aloud here? But they fought for their own country, isn't it? I'm a operation manager for a esteemed logistic company in London, and i'm struggling to find a couple of van drivers for £8.50 p/h ... i had 4 english drivers for interview and assesment in the past two weeks, i offered the job to them, they accepted and none of them turn to work on the date agreed... how not to employ immigrants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 But they fought for their own country, isn't it? I'm a operation manager for a esteemed logistic company in London, and i'm struggling to find a couple of van drivers for £8.50 p/h ... i had 4 english drivers for interview and assesment in the past two weeks, i offered the job to them, they accepted and none of them turn to work on the date agreed... how not to employ immigrants? And you fought for your army just under British command still your army. By your logic I should be able to immigrate to America because I've worked for an American company. How does that wage your offering compare to other similar jobs in the area? Our labourers on the factory floor nearly earn that and were up North where wages are poorer in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masmiffy Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 This man got it right but was pilloried for this speech!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootgun Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 And you fought for your army just under British command still your army. By your logic I should be able to immigrate to America because I've worked for an American company. How does that wage your offering compare to other similar jobs in the area? Our labourers on the factory floor nearly earn that and were up North where wages are poorer in general. I would be able to immigrate regardless of my military service... what i'm trying to say is, at least i've done something for this country... The standard wage for a van driver here, is £7.50, a class 2 lorry driver wage is £9 p/h ... how £8.50 p/h is not good enough for them , is beyond me... probably they couldn't be bothered to get off the bed for 6 AM start.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) what makes me laugh is all the immigrant doctors and lawyers and nurses and other professionals all pay more tax than most of the people here screaming tax payer tax payer lol as a british farm worker for example isnt floating the economy with his contribution seriously we all know opening the gates to any **** is wrong but controlled immigration is necessary or you wont have many tax payers the government needs to raise the bar not close the gates so only people from abroad with prospects can stay a simple sum will do it yes = overseas workers/proffesionals with jobs no = market traders car washers and unemployed Edited November 6, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) I would be able to immigrate regardless of my military service... what i'm trying to say is, at least i've done something for this country... The standard wage for a van driver here, is £7.50, a class 2 lorry driver wage is £9 p/h ... how £8.50 p/h is not good enough for them , is beyond me... probably they couldn't be bothered to get off the bed for 6 AM start.... Must be the area round here we don't have a problem finding hard working Brits Edited November 6, 2013 by castletyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I would be able to immigrate regardless of my military service... what i'm trying to say is, at least i've done something for this country... The standard wage for a van driver here, is £7.50, a class 2 lorry driver wage is £9 p/h ... how £8.50 p/h is not good enough for them , is beyond me... probably they couldn't be bothered to get off the bed for 6 AM start.... It's Iraq you've done something for not England the war was of no benefit to England one way or another, so again no offence but it's of no consequence really. You joined the army either of your own accord or through national service no one forced you, so nothing to do with England. If you'd if moved here then joined the British army you'd of had a case. I was only questioning the wages out of curiosity as I I'm not familiar with the wage structure down there. Your probably right in this instance then and it's just lazy ******* or they've just found something else and not had the manners to let you know. But again if our government had pushed these people into apprenticeships or more meaningful further education, did away with the over generous benefit system then the country would be in a better place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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