UKIP... what do you know about them?

[Nikk]

LMAO

 

I do love the "keeping Great Britain British & protecting our heritage and culture" people think GB popped into existence around 1979, here is some news little Englanders

 

We are a mongrel nation we are the result of peoples travelling across the European land mass and beyond for 5000 years plus, in recent history we are made up from mass colonising and breeding from Scandinavian, Germany, Italian & French regions, we have a diverse mix of Jewish, Muslim, Hindu cultures, that spreads back hundreds of years. we are a melting pot

 

Did you smoke some drugs tonight? Thanks for informing us of this amazing news.....

[Sprackles]

True but the speed of change is unprecedented and unwanted.

Nowhere in history has the increase in population due to migration been so sudden and divisive.

[castletyne]

LMAO

 

I do love the "keeping Great Britain British & protecting our heritage and culture" people think GB popped into existence around 1979, here is some news little Englanders

 

We are a mongrel nation we are the result of peoples travelling across the European land mass and beyond for 5000 years plus, in recent history we are made up from mass colonising and breeding from Scandinavian, Germany, Italian & French regions, we have a diverse mix of Jewish, Muslim, Hindu cultures, that spreads back hundreds of years. we are a melting pot

 

Its been several hundred years since we were invaded so we have had plenty of time to develop a heritage and culture so no we didnt just pop into existance in 1979

[Dekers]

Appologies, I did misunderstand your post. Those type of emails just get my hackles up.

Atb.

 

[figgy]

A melting pot of differing cultures that is now overflowing. No more room left so all those illegals please leave and don't let the door hit your ***** on the way out.

 

As for letting more in, who in their right mind can look at the UK and think ohh not enough people live there, lets open our borders and welcome all and sundry and give them everything free.

 

Figgy

[Nikk]

Those emails get my hackles up as well because you can tell they're not true and written by someone with an unpleasant agenda.

 

The other thing that gets annoying is how these discussions are quickly directed on to the topic of race/racist/bigotry by people also with an agenda.

 

UKIP are not a racist party (yes they will attract racists but then so do the other parties) they are a libertarian party who believes in small government, self determination and democracy. It is all there for anyone to read in their manifesto and mission statements. They've a wide range of policy and one of their top ones is the return of grammar schools (something both Labour and the Conservatives were involved in destroying).

 

It would be nice to see a bit more discussion on some of their other ideas for a change, they did start out as a protest movement but are now becoming a fully fledged political party. It's not easy in this day and age to start one from scratch and surely anyone with an interest in politics and democracy would concider this a good thing even if you don't like UKIP. The three main parties are virtually all the same just slightly different flavors of neo-socialism.

Edited December 10, 2013 by Nikk

[lister1]

I think like alot of people i dont have a problem with people from europe being here.

 

the problem i have is those that dont want to be part of the community.

 

my local town, wisbech, has always had seasonal workers but now these workers are staying.

 

i wouldnt mind them staying if they became respected members if our society but go into wisbech amd you'll see groups of middle aged men swigging from bottles of vodka at mid day. Spitting everywhere being rude and generally being alcholic fools.

 

Go to wisbech now all youll see is eastern european shops , one of which i went in and they wouldnt serve me.

 

The culture differences are too great amd cant be closed.

 

my friend is a teacher in peterborough amd in her class there are 2 kids who speak english the rest require interpreters, because the male kids arent taught to tespect women she is constanlty sworn being spat at shouted at and even punched.

 

anyway i could go on.

 

Ive worked with plenty of people from all over the eu and from further a field. some of which are decent people but most are here to raid the coffers.

 

Think what you like about the eu but first try living in a town where the local community has been destroyed.

 

Not all the worlds problems are based on money. I would say most are caused by a lack of respect.

 

my best mate has had enough amd has moved to australia. He is an award winning rugby coach and has worked with lots of charities through the years. How before all of our skilled labour has disapeared.

[Nikk]

If there are any jobs going they should be going to some of the 3 million unemployed we already have. They shouldn't get a choice in the matter.

[darren m]

i voted for UKIP last time and i,ll vote for them the next time too - because seriously , what alternative is there

[castletyne]

I think like alot of people i dont have a problem with people from europe being here.

 

the problem i have is those that dont want to be part of the community.

 

my local town, wisbech, has always had seasonal workers but now these workers are staying.

 

i wouldnt mind them staying if they became respected members if our society but go into wisbech amd you'll see groups of middle aged men swigging from bottles of vodka at mid day. Spitting everywhere being rude and generally being alcholic fools.

 

Go to wisbech now all youll see is eastern european shops , one of which i went in and they wouldnt serve me.

 

The culture differences are too great amd cant be closed.

 

my friend is a teacher in peterborough amd in her class there are 2 kids who speak english the rest require interpreters, because the male kids arent taught to tespect women she is constanlty sworn being spat at shouted at and even punched.

 

anyway i could go on.

 

Ive worked with plenty of people from all over the eu and from further a field. some of which are decent people but most are here to raid the coffers.

 

Think what you like about the eu but first try living in a town where the local community has been destroyed.

 

Not all the worlds problems are based on money. I would say most are caused by a lack of respect.

 

my best mate has had enough amd has moved to australia. He is an award winning rugby coach and has worked with lots of charities through the years. How before all of our skilled labour has disapeared.

Sounds a bit like where I have my shop 3 weeks ago we had our first day without any British born people coming into the shop

 

The people that did come in were eastern Europeans and French speaking Africans all time wasters

 

We are thinking of shutting the high street shop as mass imigration has killed the local business

 

Luckily we have built up enough contracts so the shop is not that important now

[Munzy]

As Nikk mentioned, UKIP do focus on immigration but we've probably done this to death across numerous threads recently.

 

What about their other policies... nuclear power and shale for example. What do you think about their environmental policy?

[FalconFN]

Retrograde steps designed for a quick energy fix. They completely disregard the worldwide consensus on climate change and their policues would be another nail in the coffin for our international influence. Plus their sums just don't add up at all.

[matone]

Enoch may have been misguided in some of his views but you have to admit many of his prophesies have come about. he warned us about what would happen to this country as a result of immigration and it has. Well it has in the eyes of realistic members of the community, for those of us that are PC mamby pamby equal opportunists it's a different story but for those people can I ask what about equal opportunities for what is becoming a white anglo saxon minority in some areas of the country?

 

Any party that's prepared to stem this ridiculous era of political correctness, unfettered immigration and preference given to providing benefits to illegals over British nationals gets my vote.

+1

[Nikk]

As Nikk mentioned, UKIP do focus on immigration but we've probably done this to death across numerous threads recently.

 

What about their other policies... nuclear power and shale for example. What do you think about their environmental policy?

 

 

Here's their website you can get most of their policies off there under the issues tab at the top. They cover most important things.

 

http://www.ukip.org/

 

 

They agree we need to build more nuclear power stations and exploit shale gas something I completely agree with.

 

Their environmental policies are sensible in terms of protecting green belt, the countryside and stopping HS2 but they are against the huge green taxes and subsidies that are given the renewable sector something that is pushing our bills up through the roof and having very little impact on securing our future energy requirements.

[Sprackles]

Retrograde steps designed for a quick energy fix. They completely disregard the worldwide consensus on climate change and their policues would be another nail in the coffin for our international influence. Plus their sums just don't add up at all.

 

Climate change happens all the time..its a natural phenomenon................they nicked the phrase when they realised the game was up calling it global warming or perhaps you believe the last ice age melt was due to the mammoths having too many barbecues and warming up the tundra.

Its a reason to tax....nothing more..........and as for international influence...it wont matter when we are just a state in the United States of Europe will it......

UKIP...you know it makes sense.

[Nikk]

 

Climate change happens all the time..its a natural phenomenon................they nicked the phrase when they realised the game was up calling it global warming or perhaps you believe the last ice age melt was due to the mammoths having too many barbecues and warming up the tundra.

Its a reason to tax....nothing more..........and as for international influence...it wont matter when we are just a state in the United States of Europe will it......

UKIP...you know it makes sense.

 

Exactly I'm a geologist and we studied the Vale Curve amongst other things when I was at university, Climate has always changed and very drastically as well.

 

There's nothing wrong with looking after our environment but there is everything wrong with politicians turning scientific theory in to a hysterical cult. They're even using the term denier which says everything....bit like calling anyone who wants controlled immigration a racist

 

An example of this was some idiot on the Question Time panel just after the Cumbria floods, she believed global warming was responsible for the flooding and got hysterical with those that disagreed.

Edited December 10, 2013 by Nikk

[Munzy]

 

 

Here's their website you can get most of their policies off there under the issues tab at the top. They cover most important things.

 

http://www.ukip.org/

 

 

They agree we need to build more nuclear power stations and exploit shale gas something I completely agree with.

 

Their environmental policies are sensible in terms of protecting green belt, the countryside and stopping HS2 but they are against the huge green taxes and subsidies that are given the renewable sector something that is pushing our bills up through the roof and having very little impact on securing our future energy requirements.

I've read their policies, I'm interested in people's opinions of what UKIP are saying. I think we are all clear that we can't just take everything we hear from politicians as gospel!

[Nikk]

What I like is they don't use the party whip on their councilors, for example even though they are for shale gas exploitation their councilors are still allowed to be against it if they feel it's in the interest of the people they represent.

 

You will struggle to find councilors for the big three parties doing the same.

 

Couldn't agree more with what you said about politicians

Edited December 10, 2013 by Nikk

[Munzy]

Sure thing mate... although maybe I should have said "anything" rather than "everything"!

[old rooster]

 

Climate change happens all the time..its a natural phenomenon................they nicked the phrase when they realised the game was up calling it global warming or perhaps you believe the last ice age melt was due to the mammoths having too many barbecues and warming up the tundra.

Its a reason to tax....nothing more..........and as for international influence...it wont matter when we are just a state in the United States of Europe will it......

UKIP...you know it makes sense.

 

This is a disgrace!! All mammoths wishing to have barbecues will henceforth require a licence.

 

We don't want any more mammoths allowed in to the country using up all our charcoal!!

 

Uncontrolled mammoth migration has to be stopped right away!!

[kdubya]

Retrograde steps designed for a quick energy fix. They completely disregard the worldwide consensus on climate change and their policues would be another nail in the coffin for our international influence. Plus their sums just don't add up at all.

every-time my support for UKIP starts to wane, I can really on you to give me the motivation to continue to support them, many thanks.

 

KW

[FalconFN]

every-time my support for UKIP starts to wane, I can really on you to give me the motivation to continue to support them, many thanks.

 

KW

I do have political influence then. I'd probably use reason rather than spite for my political views but each to their own.

 

Don't get me wrong, nuclear and gas should play a major part in our energy future but I don't see how coal can play a part, especially if wind turbines are scrapped.

 

My major problems with UKIP's policies are; 1. They completely ignore the scientific consensus that climate change is happening and that human activity plays a major part, and 2. Their ideas are based on hope that fracking will be viable in the UK despite the fact that Quadrilla (not a British company) has not finished exploratory drilling yet, and that they will somehow save enough money by leaving the EU to build nuclear generation plants [without European money and cooperation?].

 

The fact is we need a diverse energy policy that includes renewables so we can reduce CO₂ - whether or not you agree in anthropogenic climate change, as we have a legally binding pledge to do so. We don't have the money to develop thorium or fusion reactors without cooperation from Europe or further afield and we don't have the expertise either so how will they do it? Simple question.

 

Just to add, UKIP say they don't care about CO₂ but they care about pollution, so how will building coal fired plants going to help that cause? And don't say 'clean coal' as there isn't such a thing, there is cleaner coal but they still throw SO₂ NO_x particulants and heavy metals into the atmosphere.

[The Croc]

Keep supporting UKIP KW I have found very little I disagree with, I've voted for them for years, and will do again

[kdubya]

I do have political influence then. I'd probably use reason rather than spite for my political views but each to their own.

 

Just to add, UKIP say they don't care about CO₂ but they care about pollution, so how will building coal fired plants going to help that cause? And don't say 'clean coal' as there isn't such a thing, there is cleaner coal but they still throw SO₂ NO_x particulants and heavy metals into the atmosphere.

So Germany is not bothered then? how many coal stations are being built there NOW? since they ditched nuclear, fact is coal can and should be a part of our energy production, modern clean burn systems and Desulphurisation plants are light years away from the old coal burners,we could have economic pits again and a teenie bit of industry, but no we would rather pander to the gullible who fantasize that we can hold back the tide, and that every clap of thunder is man made and hence taxable.

 

KW

Edited December 10, 2013 by kdubya

[henry d]

...but we don't have the people to go down the mines...unless you mean the eu migrants?