pegasus bridge Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 He is airing his view, his right of speech and belief, what he is saying is reflected in the bible which he obviously believes as do many millions of people around the world including myself, he is not holding back and giving the flowery version that people accept in the odd wedding, funeral or christening that they go to, I bet if more ministers spoke like this guy churches would be packed, this is my opinion yet I do not slate or condemn you for yours I've no issue with people holding any opinion, but someone seeking election to spout this , is at best naive . I want UKIP to be successful at the next election, I'll certainly be voting for them - but this type of nonsense really isn't helpful to the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 "recognised religion as the ludicrous nonsense it clearly is" Good at least you haven't muffled your opinion as the mp hasn't either , although I believe his is based on fact and you just made yours up, but that's my opinion , everyone's happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Party has yet to mature and attract enough quality people to run the country, best hope is a co with Cons IMO- outright victory could be a disaster next time election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 As a Christian, do you believe that gay marriages were to blame for the floods? I believe he has taken this as literal where as the bible needs to be read in context, the passage relates to mankind turning away from God and the results are as he described and well documented in the book of revelation, man was meant to marry a woman hence Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) I believe he has taken this as literal where as the bible needs to be read in context, the passage relates to mankind turning away from God and the results are as he described and well documented in the book of revelation, man was meant to marry a woman hence Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve I suppose you believe the earth is 6000 years old as well Edited January 18, 2014 by truflex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Head above the parapet time - It is narrow interpretations of religious scrips of all religions written by man in the past, by fundamentalists of those religions that is causing most of the trouble in the world at the moment. These scripts were originally written to control the illiterate members of said groups by a priestly hierarchy to the way they wanted things to be done. To say they are the words of a god are tantamount to saying "my fairy is better than your fairy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Undoubtedly, I think all religious nuttery of this sort should be kept in private, Ah I see. So all religious 'nuttery' should be kept private, yet it's ok for two blokes to get married to each other and shout it from the rooftops? That's ok in your book is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 The church is full of gays so what does it matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Ah I see. So all religious 'nuttery' should be kept private, yet it's ok for two blokes to get married to each other and shout it from the rooftops? That's ok in your book is it? I'm talking specifically about an individual who is seeking election as an mp. What is the point of that individual clouding the water with beliefs that quite frankly would seem absurd to the majority. UKIPs strength IMHO is maintaining a focus on core issues that most people ( across the political , social and religious divides ) can relate to, that are quite frankly being shirked by the mainstream parties - what sense does it make to detract from this with beliefs that most find laughable? Edit - yes, I do think religion should be separated from democracy . Edited January 18, 2014 by pegasus bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 i think he might be on to something i suspect drop in pigeon numbers is also linked to the same event Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) I'm talking specifically about an individual who is seeking election as an mp. What is the point of that individual clouding the water with beliefs that quite frankly would seem absurd to the majority. You could argue that the majority could find it absurd that two men would want to get married? Of course in the total opposite of free speech the majority keep quiet for fear of upsetting the few who wish to tread that path. I don't think one man's personally held religious views (whatever his job) are any less important than the views of the gay community. Some believe in God, others believe in Bob Live and let live, but let's face it, the gay community are very vociferous about their cause, and woe betide anyone who tries to put them down. It's just a shame that Christians don't seem to get the same protection. Edited January 18, 2014 by poontang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 You could argue that the majority could find it absurd that two men would want to get married? Of course in the total opposite of free speech the majority keep quiet for fear of upsetting the few who wish to tread that path. I don't think one man's personally held religious views (whatever his job) are any less important than the views of the gay community. Some believe in God, others believe in Bob Live and let live, but let's face it, the gay community are very vociferous about their cause, and woe betide anyone who tries to put them down. It's just a shame that Christians don't seem to get the same protection. I'm sure you could, like I said - I want UKIP to gain ground, and this isn't helpful. The same majority of peolple who don't like gays getting married, would probably still judge a man who ascribed floods because of this a loon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 The freedom to talk nonsense, seems its a vote winner, all publicity is good publicity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) another god bothering ******* weirdo of the highest order The church is full of gays so what does it matter? their all in the closet like most homophobics Edited January 18, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 man was meant to marry a woman hence Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve Please tell me you are making a tongue in cheek statement. No one says this seriously. Surely??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Please tell me you are making a tongue in cheek statement. No one says this seriously. Surely??!! This is why I didn't bother answering that particular post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 man was meant to marry a woman hence Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve Please tell me you are making a tongue in bottom statement. No one says this seriously. Surely??!! if it was Steve McQueen i might be seriously tempted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Party has yet to mature and attract enough quality people to run the country, best hope is a co with Cons IMO- outright victory could be a disaster next time election Quality people like Ed Millipede, Ed Balls up or Gordon 'end of boom and bust & sell all the gold' Brown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 if we all came from adam and eve wouldnt that mean there was a bit of incest going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 if we all came from adam and eve wouldnt that mean there was a bit of incest going on? mate of mine went to Iceland recently, he couldn't believe this an app to make sure you don't have sex with your cousin, evidently its quite common as they all came across relatively recently, Christ something like this would put a serious dampener on your average night out in Lincolnshire http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24304415 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) So, I'm a Christian, have been for many years, and I've got to be honest, I found this loon hilarious. The saddest thing for me is he's a South Oxfordshire Councillor. I worry more about what it says about politicians in my district than it does of my faith For the record, we had Boris Johnson too. We're not all nutters over here! There is plenty of theological stuff I could write here, you can PM me if you really want it! but no the bible makes no such claim about God judging failing Christian nations. This is easily proved: There were not Christian nations in the bible. It NEVER refers to believers as a nation - falling away or otherwise. They're always referred either by the term church in a particular area, or simply as believers. It makes it abundantly clear that the Gospel is not about a particular nation or country, it goes way beyond that. As a Christian, do I agree with him? nope! After all, this clown tells us that there were worse floods before the marriage act. (worst storms in 60 years? so before those 60 years presumably there were worse ones) and he's obviously forgotten The Plague, the Great Fire of London and that great demonstration of a 'Christian Nation' the bloodthirsty and murderous Crusades. Not all Christians believe what this guys is saying, especially ones that haven't just pulled quotations out of thin air because they sound inflammatory in the media. (cynical? moi??) I can only apologise for our politicians this way! Truly we are. We shouldn't have let the loon out of his cage, so if someone does find a stray Boris, Henley-on-Thames will despatch vets to tranquillise him and get him back Edited January 19, 2014 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 if it was Steve McQueen i might be seriously tempted You'd have to change your name to Adam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 another god bothering ******* weirdo of the highest order their all in the closet like most homophobics Homophobia .... Is this a fear of Homos ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Quality people like Ed Millipede, Ed Balls up or Gordon 'end of boom and bust & sell all the gold' Brown? Gordon said it was Tory boom and bust. Not sure what the difference is between Tory and Labour boom and bust..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 You'd have to change your name to Adam! Not a problem its worth it, how many PW members could post a thread titled "Steve McQueen gave me a reach around" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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