Rst1990 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Was at a clay shoot over the weekend and was watching a small group of guys at a stand just letting the cartridges just eject on the floor, by the time I got on the stand spent carts was every where! Is it just me that uses the bins and takes care that carts are not scattered on the floor? My mate has a semi and he still picks them up and puts them in the bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I always use the bins - and I always see other peoples cartridges scattered on the ground. If you have a break-action, there is no excuse not to catch them and put them in the bin. If you have a semi (the worse offenders), it is your responsibility to pick them up. If you have trouble bending over, get a telescopic magnetic pick-up tool - they are not expensive and will easily fit in a cartridge bag. http://www.screwfix.com/p/magnetic-pick-up-tool-630mm/18440 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I have a semi and always pick the 10 shells up that I've used, I could pick more up but if everyone picked there own it isn't a problem.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 No one ever says yeah I leave em where they fall, but most use the bins, what do you do if the bins are full and overflowing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I work at a clay ground on shootdays and can tell you that in my experience those 'offenders' who leave their empties on the ground, do so irrespective of what type of gun they're using. When asked as to why they leave them, the replie's invariably the same: "That's what you get payed for!" .....Er, "No it's not" The thing that I find most ironic is that these people are usually stuck somewhere at the bottom of 'C' class(though they talk a good game), moan at the slightest thing and generally 'swagger' about as if they're 'God's gift' to clayshooting! The only consolation I get is that more often than not they 'move on' pretty quickly, normally as a result of finding the discipline and effort required to 'climb up the classes' a bit too much The world of Golf is welcome to them! Regards remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I work at a clay ground on shootdays and can tell you that in my experience those 'offenders' who leave their empties on the ground, do so irrespective of what type of gun they're using. When asked as to why they leave them, the replie's invariably the same: "That's what you get payed for!" .....Er, "No it's not" The thing that I find most ironic is that these people are usually stuck somewhere at the bottom of 'C' class(though they talk a good game), moan at the slightest thing and generally 'swagger' about as if they're 'God's gift' to clayshooting! The only consolation I get is that more often than not they 'move on' pretty quickly, normally as a result of finding the discipline and effort required to 'climb up the classes' a bit too much The world of Golf is welcome to them! Regards remmyman Top Reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale u Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 No one ever says yeah I leave em where they fall, but most use the bins, what do you do if the bins are full and overflowing? If the bins are full and over flowing the shooters are doing what they should do and the ground is not. There is no excuse for over flowing bins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale u Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I work at a clay ground on shootdays and can tell you that in my experience those 'offenders' who leave their empties on the ground, do so irrespective of what type of gun they're using. When asked as to why they leave them, the replie's invariably the same: "That's what you get payed for!" .....Er, "No it's not" The thing that I find most ironic is that these people are usually stuck somewhere at the bottom of 'C' class(though they talk a good game), moan at the slightest thing and generally 'swagger' about as if they're 'God's gift' to clayshooting! The only consolation I get is that more often than not they 'move on' pretty quickly, normally as a result of finding the discipline and effort required to 'climb up the classes' a bit too much The world of Golf is welcome to them! Regards remmyman I usually find if you are watching the the offenders they put the carts in the bin. (These are probably people who dump litter out of the car window as well.) They also don't consider anyone following them who may be bad on his or her feet and struggle to walk on normal surfaces never mind trying not to stand on empty cartridges as a added hazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I work at a clay ground on shootdays and can tell you that in my experience those 'offenders' who leave their empties on the ground, do so irrespective of what type of gun they're using. When asked as to why they leave them, the replie's invariably the same: "That's what you get payed for!" .....Er, "No it's not" Regards remmyman I know what you mean they wonder what the referees are doing whilst they turn cartridges into empty hulls and they tend to leave whole clay behind them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I pick my own up aswel as other peoples if I can reload them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Personally I bin them and always have, however there are a few at Northall CPC who don't bother, of those the S/A seems the gun of choice. IMO if you use a S/A you need a mag stick BUT, I've watched the staff witnessing the hull scattering and abandonment without saying a word. If the ground doesn't pull them up over it then they won't change will they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 No one ever says yeah I leave em where they fall, but most use the bins, what do you do if the bins are full and overflowing? Put them in your bag or pocket and deposit them in another bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Put them in your bag or pocket and deposit them in another bin Why? your paying to shoot there and the least they can do is empty the bins if your local council failed to empty your bins one week,would you put the rubbish in your pocket or someone else's bin Don't agree with people ejecting carts all over and not picking them up but if the bins are full,well we all know what's going to happen BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) I recently asked a couple of semi Auto users at the ground to pick up their spent cartridges, to which they replied it would be difficult as the ground was wet and muddy. After some discussion as to who they believed should collect the cartridges I asked them to leave the ground and only return when they felt the conditions were right for them to be able to collect their spent cartridges. I followed them to the next stand, where they picked up the spent cartridges, and fair play to them they apologised and stated they would invest in a magnetic pole from the club house which they duly did, price shared, the pocket damage was very little. Edit It is not only the Semi Auto users that are offenders. It is easier with an over and under to catch your cartridges and deposit in the bin, and still they let them fly every where, so who are the worse offenders? Those that are too lazy to put a hand over the ejectors or those have to make the effort to bend down and scratch around for the cartridges Edited January 21, 2014 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I recently asked a couple of semi Auto users at the ground to pick up their spent cartridges, to which they replied it would be difficult as the ground was wet and muddy. After some discussion as to who they believed should collect the cartridges I asked them to leave the ground and only return when they felt the conditions were right for them to be able to collect their spent cartridges. I followed them to the next stand, where they picked up the spent cartridges, and fair play to othem they apologised and stated they would invest in a magnetic pole from the club house which they duly did, price shared, the pocket damage was very little. I take it this is your ground ? Which you asked them to leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 No excuse for full bins in my opinion,we pay them to provide a service,they need to top traps with clays so everytime they do this they should also be checking the bins all the bins ive seen hold many more spent shells than the traps hold clays BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 No one ever says yeah I leave em where they fall, but most use the bins, what do you do if the bins are full and overflowing? Chuck them on top of the bins they fall where they fall then, I've done my bit its then up to the ground people to do theirs. Semi auto sx3 chucks them nearly as far as the clays. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 No excuse for full bins in my opinion,we pay them to provide a service,they need to top traps with clays so everytime they do this they should also be checking the bins all the bins ive seen hold many more spent shells than the traps hold clays BBVery true I post some photos recently of a ground where half the bins were overflowing but the traps were full........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I take it this is your ground ? Which you asked them to leave Not my ground, but the ground I am employed as a Coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I totally agree that any/all bins provided should be capable of either being of a sufficient size for expected volume of cases or emptied regularly. Where I work every range is 'tidied' in between squads, this often entails picking up cartridge boxes,sweet wrappers and returning cups/mugs back to the clubhouse as well! Regards remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Not my ground, but the ground I am employed as a Coach This ground you coach at, we take it all the stands are designed in such a way that regardless of the make or model of the semi automatic being used, the empties are all easily and safely collectable without compromising everyone else queueing to shoot ? In other words, reality check - I know not of a single ground where the ejected shells don't almost always fall beyond the taped access area which would mean crossing this to go hunting for empties, you might as well ban semi's and be done if you're that bothered. Following people from stand to stand to see if they catch their empties, goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDCREST Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 On one shooting ground here in the North, I have been told to not bother picking fired hulls up....The guy said to me...." It keeps me in a job" I usually do pick up after myself, even carry my own mag stick.....but it puts another perspective on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I'm a little amazed or maybe not, by some answers given by some PW members.......... This its my thoughts about the people, that says to the clay ground employee, it is your job to pick them up..... If you go about on the street, eating a nice bag of chips, once finished the chips you left with the wrapping, at the side of the footpath there is a nice green/brown/yellow bin, do you throw your garbage on the floor? risking to get a telling off for littering or you make the effort to go to the bin. Most of us will go to the bin, we wouldn't think....I throw it on the floor because I pay council tax, the footpath sweeper man can pick it for me, because I pay my tax. SO Why you do it at a clay ground?? When I shoot clays, I leave all my cartridges to fall to the ground, semi or under, but once finished, I quickly collect them and place them in the bin, its just politeness and respect of someone else land. ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 (a) if you can pick them up - not always possible due to where they fall and the length of the queue waiting to shoot (b) hope that I am hanging around because I love picking up cartridges - I find it very therapeutic. When waiting for traps to be filled etc I often start picking up the cartridges lying around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del T Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've seen it at grounds we shoot at. There can be a bin in the cage with them yet they still open their sporters and eject the carts over their shoulder like some sort of action movie character! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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