iain Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 As it's passed for center fire. Is there any deer and will farmer let you take them? If so go for a .243. Rabbits are nice, deer tastes a hell of a lot better. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I would apply for .22lr and hmr. I would then buy a .22 and shoot as many bunnies as you can. In a few years you may want to add a hmr for a bit more range. I have both a 22 and hmr I mostly shoot the 22 as it does the job I want of it, when I need more range I go for the hmr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 As it's passed for center fire. Is there any deer and will farmer let you take them? If so go for a .243. Rabbits are nice, deer tastes a hell of a lot better. . And what does a rabbit look like when it's been hit by a .243 at <100yds? This is going to be primarily a rabbiting gun with the odd squirrel and pigeon. Not deer, or fox or wild boar, or black leopards, nor the beast of bodmin, I'm not going after a Yeti or The Loch Ness Monster. I love the taste of rabbit, so I'd prefer it if I didn't have to pick up the pieces scattered all over the place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 And what does a rabbit look like when it's been hit by a .243 at <100yds? This is going to be primarily a rabbiting gun with the odd squirrel and pigeon. Not deer, or fox or wild boar, or black leopards, nor the beast of bodmin, I'm not going after a Yeti or The Loch Ness Monster. I love the taste of rabbit, so I'd prefer it if I didn't have to pick up the pieces scattered all over the place... Don't worry about picking anything up as small as a rabbit, it impossible to save anything from a bunny hit with a .243! even when they occasionally look ok they are a fur bag with mush inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 22 wmr, Atb Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 22 wmr, Atb Flynny How come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I'm still firmly on the side of the .22lr. With subs you can shoot comfortably out to 80 yards or so and with HV ammo like the CCI Stinger or Velocitor you can stretch that comfortably to over 100. A good shot can add a bit to that, but I don't consider myself a good shot with the lr. I don't shoot it enough to really get to know how it flies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 FAC-Air hasn't faired to well! anyone going to stick up for it?? When you say up to 130 yards then that rules air straight out if you only want one gun , personally I would go 17 hmr and FAC air , the two would cover all you need . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 When you say up to 130 yards then that rules air straight out if you only want one gun , personally I would go 17 hmr and FAC air , the two would cover all you need . 130 yds is the maximum I'd ever need if I wanted to hit every bunny I ever saw without bothering with fieldcraft witchcraft. this probably smacks more of laziness on my part! Reading what most people seem to say about FAC-air, you don't get anything like the extra effective range you might expect from say tripling a gun's power up to 36Ft/lb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) feildcraft is part of the whole experience {not worded right but i cant think of the right way to express myself} in my opinion,some you win,some get away to fight another day,as i said ive had 2 hmrs and sold them both,found it rather boring shooting rabbits at 150 yds prefer to try and stalk in closer,if need be and their a bit twitchy i can shoot them at 120yds but only if necassary,plus if you do shoot them at those kind of distances with a .22 i think you get more of a buzz knowing that you have taken time and learned your holdover points,rather than just point and shoot with the hmr get a .22, learn and enjoy Edited February 7, 2014 by telf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 How come? I prefer my wmr over the hmr, 100ft/lb on the .17, its conditioned for fox in my county, it may be the rifle but I shoot more accurately with mine. It just has a bit more substance to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 130 yds is the maximum I'd ever need if I wanted to hit every bunny I ever saw without bothering with fieldcraft witchcraft. this probably smacks more of laziness on my part! Reading what most people seem to say about FAC-air, you don't get anything like the extra effective range you might expect from say tripling a gun's power up to 36Ft/lb? In all honesty a good 30 ft/lb .22 fac air reaches its truly effective limit at 60 yards or so. You hear many contrary claims but that is always the case with anything airguns. Thing is you can at the same time well exceed the limits many state for the LR with practice. This is crazy but represents the fact that most users of the rimfires have more time out in the field actually hunting than your average air gunner and lets be fair many are 14 yr old teenagers making it up as they go along! High velocity ammo (like stingers) holds little extra capability at longer range, reasons are 1. it uses a lighter bullet more effected by wind (the hardest bit of long range shooting) 2. it enters what is termed the transonic zone dropping from a supersonic to sub sonic velocity (this is well known to de-stabilise a bullet). 22 std and subsonic are the most accurate rounds at 100 yds and further in real testing (something I have done and re-proven time and again). What HV do give you is a significant rise in energy and a flatter trajectory which makes up to around 80 yards easier but they are noisy even moderated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Chuck Hawks has a rimfires compared article on the net if you search. Its worth a look he tells the story well enough with real facts but with somewhat of an American leaning on use (they don't use many subs as moderators are very expensive and difficult to obtain there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Your question is also your answer. You emphatically state only one gun which is to be used almost exclusively on rabbit and mostly at night - hardly rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Your question is also your answer. You emphatically state only one gun which is to be used almost exclusively on rabbit and mostly at night - hardly rocket science. So.......................................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I would go for .22LR - the distances you stated are 130 yards or less with most being under 100 so that is perfect for the .22LR. With houses nearby then the noise of the HMR may be ab issue esp as it is night shooting. FAC AIR may be an option but as you want one gun then I would advise .22LR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Your question is also your answer. You emphatically state only one gun which is to be used almost exclusively on rabbit and mostly at night - hardly rocket science. So.......................................................... Indeed, rimfire4969! I asked the question because I don't know and given that there is only 10 votes in it (excluding mine), it seems a reasonable question to ask? This'd be my first FAC gun and no one in my family shoots or any of my friends (before starting to meet shooters). I might (now) know a thing or two about air rifles, but this is a whole different ball game so asking the questions here seemed the best way to go about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Indeed, rimfire4969! I asked the question because I don't know and given that there is only 10 votes in it (excluding mine), it seems a reasonable question to ask? This'd be my first FAC gun and no one in my family shoots or any of my friends (before starting to meet shooters). I might (now) know a thing or two about air rifles, but this is a whole different ball game so asking the questions here seemed the best way to go about it... Sounds reasonable. Drag your butt down here and come and have a play with a 22 and hmr at some rabbits or maybe there is someone closer who could let you have a go, I am sure it would answer a lot of questions for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Indeed, rimfire4969! I asked the question because I don't know and given that there is only 10 votes in it (excluding mine), it seems a reasonable question to ask? This'd be my first FAC gun and no one in my family shoots or any of my friends (before starting to meet shooters). I might (now) know a thing or two about air rifles, but this is a whole different ball game so asking the questions here seemed the best way to go about it... I do humbly apologise. I think it must be an age thing. Sixty years ago I was told that if I was told everything, I'd learn nothing and consequently I was taught to think. From my point of view the answer is 22LR. Again from my point of view, I'm surprised that after 3 years on PW you haven't already taken that possibility on board. Good luck with your choice and if you do "drag your butt down here", stop off in Devon and I'll supply the lubrication for the rest of your journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Indeed, rimfire4969! I asked the question because I don't know and given that there is only 10 votes in it (excluding mine), it seems a reasonable question to ask? This'd be my first FAC gun and no one in my family shoots or any of my friends (before starting to meet shooters). I might (now) know a thing or two about air rifles, but this is a whole different ball game so asking the questions here seemed the best way to go about it... To be fair over 1/2 of those voting have likely never owned and used both or even either, if you want the right answer select those who vote . My Daughter might tell you airguns are pretty pants but then again she got to try .22 lr early days Experience counts, ask the general population if we should shoot at all ( democracy is similar to two wolves and one lamb voting on what to have for lunch) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 To be fair over 1/2 of those voting have likely never owned and used both or even either, if you want the right answer select those who vote . My Daughter might tell you airguns are pretty pants but then again she got to try .22 lr early days Experience counts, ask the general population if we should shoot at all ( democracy is similar to two wolves and one lamb voting on what to have for lunch) How have you come to that conclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Although i don't shoot rifles. I have learnt a lot about them from off here... HMR at a guess would be a good choice. .22LR ricochets a bit as well? Well here At least this guy had the decency to say so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy RV Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Why restrict yourself to one rifle? It costs the same if you apply for 1 or 10 different calibers, have you got a shotgun certificate? If not then apply for a coterminous cert. Apply for the .22 and .17, if you only buy a .22 you've not lost anything and you have the option of the HMR if you fancy it, vice-versa! And don't forget to apply for the moderators as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Thanks chaps, that's helped to confirm my initial thoughts. When I get round to it, I'll see about applying for .17hmr and .22lr, as that will keep my options open later on. For now though, me thinks the one to go for is the .22lr time for some paperwork... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I'm hmr don't agree with the expensive to feed bit, they are far more accurate so less missed,noise on two accasions I have shot 4 rabbits from a group it seems past 80 yrds the noise is not a problem, and because each shot is a hit and kill they just roll over. they are good for fox at 100yrds (shot placement)I'm in Lincolnshire and have vermim on my ticket which I class fox as. they seem to tick all the boxes before moving up to centrefire, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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