Dekers Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 What is this BS I have just heard on the news that says too many badgers were taking more than 5 minutes to die. Is someone 'avin a larf, or were monkeys TRYING to shoot them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I don't recall the exact stat but is was something like 18% took longer than 5 minutes to die - they don't even have that accuracy in A and E depts so who the hell worked that out? Did every shooter have an independent assessor with them? I can't believe professional shooters would have fed back "yeah about one in five took forever to finally snuff it" smells fishy to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Haven't seen that one, but it doesn't sound likely to me. I assume they're talking about the cull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 it was a government commissioned analysis that showed that 18% of those shot took over five minuites to die.and this was deemed to have failed the test for humaneness.there was 1771 shot which was only 50% of what was supposed to be shot.the target was to kill 70% of the badgers that lived in the nominated area. for the cull.they obviously never used the right men for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossy 666 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 how the hell would it take 5min to die if shot cleanly? If I cant make a clean kill I would not pull the trigger. I would have thought there was a min caliber so you telling me with a .223/.22250 hole in it that a badger would live for 5min, I would say not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Appreciate the responses, I'm lost over which shooters would admit to this, I'm also lost as to what calibre they were shooting and what experience they had, apparently they were all specially selected and trained prior to the cull? Where do these figures come from, who complied them, who admitted to them? Something really does smell here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Badgers are tough! seen one hit by two cars and still kept going! so it could be possible if a shot didn't hit its mark, on the other hand how long does it take to walk from a shooting position to the target !? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Badgers are tough! seen one hit by two cars and still kept going! so it could be possible if a shot didn't hit its mark, on the other hand how long does it take to walk from a shooting position to the target !? Valid observations. Squirrels are tuff, for their size/weight, probably the toughest animal I have come across! Everything is tough in principle and has a desire to live, lots of things get hit by cars, including people, but shoot them in the right place with the right ammo and they die, and it doesn't take 5 min's or more! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Don't believe a word of it - no shooter would admit to letting one suffer. If only wounded there would either be a follow up shot or Brock would have disappeared down a hole. Don't believe a word of it - no shooter would admit to letting one suffer. If only wounded there would either be a follow up shot or Brock would have disappeared down a hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 just google badger cull and it sets it out,i would think as a government backed thing they would have had observers out with the guns.just to make sure it was all correct and of course to witness any anti brigade antics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 just google badger cull and it sets it out,i would think as a government backed thing they would have had observers out with the guns.just to make sure it was all correct and of course to witness any anti brigade antics. I would want that observer to be a vet if they are going to be pronouncing death! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think the farmers should have been allowed to sort the badgers.but been saying that for years now.then it got left to the experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 ^ like he said ^ thats how it was done and cost nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Appreciate the responses, I'm lost over which shooters would admit to this, I'm also lost as to what calibre they were shooting and what experience they had, apparently they were all specially selected and trained prior to the cull? Where do these figures come from, who complied them, who admitted to them? Something really does smell here! Have a butchers at this report...interesting reading and smacks of being compiled by people who don't have a good working knowledge of shooting. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B13mFkdZ4mgHRTIzNEVoLTI3ZFBoOThuaXRUcy1oT2luTk44/edit?pli=1 Edited February 28, 2014 by Therealchucknorris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think the farmers should have been allowed to sort the badgers.but been saying that for years now.then it got left to the experts. Shock horror gasp, do we actually agree on something?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Have a butchers at this report...interesting reading and smacks of being compiled by people who don't have a good working knowledge of shooting. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B13mFkdZ4mgHRTIzNEVoLTI3ZFBoOThuaXRUcy1oT2luTk44/edit?pli=1 Flippen ek, I'll try but I'll have a beard by the time I've finished! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Sounds bad to me , humane kill has always got to be a high consideration along with safe shot in my book , if they couldn't achieve it they shouldn't have been trying . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Shock horror gasp, do we actually agree on something?! early days yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 on radio4 the ratio of badgers that had taken moor than 5 mins to dye was up to 6-18% so there is there a little fudging of the numbers to make headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 on radio4 the ratio of badgers that had taken moor than 5 mins to dye was up to 6-18% so there is there a little fudging of the numbers to make headlines It was on BBC Radio 4 so it must be true! Sorry, I am not disputing the figure as such, simply trying to get my head round it. It does indeed seem a very odd statistic which many have raised valid points over, such as, who was standing there timing it, and if they were, why didn't the badger get dispatched rather than timing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I was as up to 6 to 18% so is it that the numbers was picked out of a hat ??. so out of 1700 shot there saying up to 102 or up to 306 so it tells me there ether telling porky's or they don't know and its a statistic plucked out of the air to generate doubt .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I think the farmers should have been allowed to sort the badgers.but been saying that for years now.then it got left to the experts. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesley121 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Total b o l l o c k s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masmiffy Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Contoversial from the outset and now 'blown up' and made to look as if it was gone about in a bad way. Think the 'cost per kill' was a joke I heard a figure of almost £4K mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 £4,200 which is silly, how much does a round cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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