four-wheel-drive Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) They said two things on the TV this morning the first was that it could have landed on land in china or some other country and that the powers that be now a lot more than they are saying could it be that it is being held for ransom somewhere probably wrong but it it is food for thought. The thing that surprises me the most is with all of the Satellites looking down on us it seems strange to me that something like this can happen but then again do they now a lot more that they are telling us only time will tell. Edited March 15, 2014 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margun Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 It could be that everyone on board was overcome with some sort of gas which knocked them all out, like carbon monoxide. I'm not talking terrorism here but an actual accident. I think this happened a few years ago over America. Fighter jets were scrambled and reported that everyone on the plane including the pilot look as though they were asleep. I think the plane just flew until it ran out of fuel. See links of similar events below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash So how do you explain the transponder being switched off? No mayday call? Even if a sudden depressurisation happened at 35,000ft, the pilots would have several seconds of cognitive ability plus the oxygen masks would have dropped. Accident + no foul play = mayday call. And certainly no transponder switch off. No source of noxious gases on a 777 as the engine bleed air is not used to power the aircon system as in some other aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margun Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 New information confirms these devices are indeed swichcoffable, I just find it incredible that a hijacker can effectively cloak the craft with the flick of a switch ! The other thing I don't understand is how come jet fighters flying at twice the speed and a tenth of the size need to fly low to avoid radar detection or how the Stealth had to have specially shaped panels to be undetectable, yet a jumbo has left no traceable trail ! Surely not all its route would have been over barren seas. It's to do with line of sight - curvature of the earth means that below a certain altitude radar simply doesn't work. Stealth technology was developed for high altitude applications (surveillance or bombing). Flying low will avoid radar detection (and prevent transponder functionality) because you're 'hiding under the duvet' so to speak. Another factor I wouldn't rule out is incompetance by the Malaysian military ATC like not spotting this plane - there's stuff they aren't sharing. There might be security as well as cultural embarrassment issues at play here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Unidentified plane,no comms response,perhaps one of those tinpot states out there shot it down and now realise they in doo doo and are keeping schtum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Latest is plane tracked for a further 7 hours after they lost radio contact and was heading towards a couple of dodgy ex-USSR countries so suggestion is strongly in favour of hijacking. A lot of very ******-off countries who have committed huge resources searching for plane when Malaysia knew it was elsewhere. Hope for relatives however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) If I was unfortunate enough to be on this plane,I would hope that the powers that be were doing everything possible to bring about a speedy conclusion to this apparent hijacking. I most certainly wouldn't want the true information splashed all over the internet where this could aid the hijackers or indeed future hijackers .If ever a situation for a blackout on published data was needed this is it..from Auntie. Edited March 15, 2014 by 100milesaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 The plane is somewhere here: http://i.imgur.com/JLo8EMh.jpg The outer radius is how far it could have gone with the available fuel. Possibly less if they were flying in the thicker low-altitude air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 So the plot, unlike the wifes gravy, thickens. If it is a hijack, where are the demands? It's all getting very strange. It seems the only thing we can be sure of at this point is that it's probably going to get a lot stranger before it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 If it did land - it is a big plane - presumably there are limited number of places within that radius where it could conceivably land. No doubt there is much happening behind the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Maybe the top spying agency's know but would never say as it would give away how much they can spy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Time for the resurgence of the CONspiracy theorists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 So the plot, unlike the wifes gravy, thickens. If it is a hijack, where are the demands? It's all getting very strange. It seems the only thing we can be sure of at this point is that it's probably going to get a lot stranger before it's done. They may have made demands, it may be kept quiet for security reasons and the search just a cover up. All strange. I think it may have been hijacked but crashed landing out somewhere, or there is active negotiations taking place and we are kept in the dark. Iv got over 2000 hours in various aircraft and I can't believe an aircraft that size can go missing with no data, sat or radar info. Something is not adding up and we don't have the full story that's for sure. Why did they take so long to admit it went off course.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 If it did land - it is a big plane - presumably there are limited number of places within that radius where it could conceivably land. No doubt there is much happening behind the scenes. It needs a minimum 1.5 mile long runway to land safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Time for the resurgence of the CONspiracy theorists! time to believe what your told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 It needs a minimum 1.5 mile long runway to land safely. Desert, salt planes, old river beds, plenty of places they could attempt to land it, not saying it's going to be successful, but I don't think an active airport would be on the plan, would have been found. Be interesting when all the facts come out. I also think a lot of radar info is being kept quiet so nations don't disclose their defense capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 time to believe what your told Yes Mum, sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yes Mum, sorry! good lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 It hasn't crashed on land, that would have been found within hours if not minutes by locals who'd have then splashed it all over the internet using social media. It hasn't landed in a remote airfield as that too would have attracted attention, it's much more likely to have landed in a normal airport where seven days ago its arrival wouldn't have looked out of place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) there must be some counties that would be sympathetic to would be high jackers Edited March 15, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 It needs a minimum 1.5 mile long runway to land safely. I would have thought that in part of the world/ USSR there are plenty of old military air bases that could be used for it to land on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 I would have thought that in part of the world/ USSR there are plenty of old military air bases that could be used for it to land on a very good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 I was wondering if it might be a terrorist dry run for a means of sneaking a passenger airliner away to do another 9/11 type attack? It is deffo looking more suspicious as each bit of new info emerges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 They may have made demands, it may be kept quiet for security reasons and the search just a cover up. All strange. I think it may have been hijacked but crashed landing out somewhere, or there is active negotiations taking place and we are kept in the dark. Iv got over 2000 hours in various aircraft and I can't believe an aircraft that size can go missing with no data, sat or radar info. Something is not adding up and we don't have the full story that's for sure. Why did they take so long to admit it went off course.... I have over 20,000 hours and I totally agree with you. We are not being told the whole story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 We are not being told the whole story. id have been surprised if we were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 there must be some counties that would be sympathetic to would be high jackers Essex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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