littlerob Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 if i bought some cheap 12g 28g clay loads could i cut them down take tie lead out and the powder buy some primers re prime the shell tip half the powder in some nitro card and a bit of felt instead of roll over crimp bit of masking tape to hold everything in and reload two 410 cartridges on the cheap or would it be better doing it all perfect but still using powder and shot from the 12g cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 no....wrong powder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Could = YES Should = NO ...but IF you do, take lots of photos of what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I carnt wait for Sits--Cookoff etc to read this one .................. Im at a loss Bta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Well we all have to start somewhere and it was not that long ago that I started although it does seem like forever. I would suggest that the OP takes a little time to research on reloading shotgun cartridges - it is not rocket science but there are some pretty basic fundamentals. Probably the first of which is to use an appropriate known powder along with a known recipe ie case, primer, powder, wad, shot and crimp or rto. As a general rule 12g powder is not suitable for .410 - well certainly not the sort you will get out of budget clay loads. There are some very good websites (mine included!) and some good books. Even better find someone that reloads close to you and go and have a cup of tea with them and learn an awful lot in an hour or two Good luck Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) im no expert but nitro powder come in loads of different form some faster some slower and so own but for instant i was thinking if a 410 cartridge for example have 9 grains of powder and the 12g has 19grains of powder couldn't i just use say 9 grains of powder and use 14 grams of shot and i have made two box's of 410 for abit more than a box of 12g clay loads as i to tape it to seal the cartridge i head people use 303 casing and just tape them to keep the shot in Edited April 11, 2014 by littlerob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 The only way to turn a 12gauge shell into a .410 is to put it in the washing machine. The shell may shrink t .410 size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 The only way to turn a 12gauge shell into a .410 is to put it in the washing machine. The shell may shrink t .410 size. Quality ! Im happy now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pycoed Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 im no expert but nitro powder come in loads of different form some faster some slower and so own but for instant i was thinking if a 410 cartridge for example have 9 grains of powder and the 12g has 19grains of powder couldn't i just use say 9 grains of powder and use 14 grams of shot and i have made two box's of 410 for abit more than a box of 12g clay loads as i to tape it to seal the cartridge i head people use 303 casing and just tape them to keep the shot in Well, you are right there I hope you like hospital food... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 even thought i have No experience i think some may have read this and not what i rally meant to say i would trying to reload my used already 410 cartridges but on the chap that's what my idea was not to cut and shut 12g cartridge and make them fir into 410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 I said no once, twice now, you must be pulling our legs. Yes....no wait.....sure go ahead sunshine.....(we don't want this one breeding fellers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 if i bought some cheap 12g 28g clay loads could i cut them down take tie lead out and the powder buy some primers re prime the shell tip half the powder in some nitro card and a bit of felt instead of roll over crimp bit of masking tape to hold everything in and reload two 410 cartridges on the cheap or would it be better doing it all perfect but still using powder and shot from the 12g cartridges They must of been very cheap if you are thinking of going to all that trouble, why not sell the 12g carts on and buy some .410 carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Hi Is it 1st of April again 😄😃😃😂😂 Quality All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 12g are £3.60 a box where the 410 are £5.60 a box if i went to a cretin local shop there £9.50 a box huge different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 There are a handfull of powders for 410 such as Lil gun, alliant 410 and hodgdon H110 etc. They are a different beast to powders for 28g in a 12 guage! The primers are also different. You will need the like of Cheddite CX50 for loading 410. The ONLY thing you can use out of a 12g cart to load a 410 is the shot! Do yourself a favour, and either BUY the 410 carts! Or buy tue correct components if you HAVE to load your own. Reloading can be very enjoyable, but should NOT be entered into with snips of info! Please read a few books and follow the data that is supplied on most powder makers websites! There are a few small hand loaders for 410 such as the Lanes and can be bought and shipped for about £50 MEC 600 in 410 is a good bet! But will be closer to £180 - £200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 honey I shrunk the shells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Sorry to swim against the tide but many years ago when I roamed freely ( ) with a .410 and times were much harder I "discovered" a source of free 12g cartridges and spent many hours emptying them into various containers and reloading .410 cases with them. We used a teaspoon as a powder measure and toilet paper as a wad-we removed the primers by sitting the shells base down on top of a pair of pliers and using a 6" nail to tap them out-good old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted April 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Sorry to swim against the tide but many years ago when I roamed freely ( ) with a .410 and times were much harder I "discovered" a source of free 12g cartridges and spent many hours emptying them into various containers and reloading .410 cases with them. We used a teaspoon as a powder measure and toilet paper as a wad-we removed the primers by sitting the shells base down on top of a pair of pliers and using a 6" nail to tap them out-good old days. now this what i was thinking of doing and also i know times have changed but i thought like old muzzle loaders powder wad shot where single ball or loads of small shot all i was thinking of re prime my old case powder wad shot cheat and use tape to stop shot rolling out like the crimp do and fire its only for close birds in orchards i know some one who buys new cartridges and super glue or wax seals them for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 quote name="littlerob" post="2501922" timestamp="1397251008"]12g are £3.60 a box where the 410 are £5.60 a box if i went to a cretin local shop there £9.50 a box huge different I wonder some times why people live in the fens it's now obvious .410 powder is nothing like 12 bore powder .410 powder burns much slower and produces more pressure 28 gram powder is fast burning, load this in to a .410 you will soon be like your cabbage cultivating cousins ie 4 fingers on each hand if you are lucky Just don't go there you also need to roll the top of each load to create pressure for a correct burn not just tape the top it's not just there to stop the shot rolling out If you are serious about reloading you need to gear suitable powder Like hogdon 110 ,Winchester 296,vectan SP3 or Alliant 2400 this will cost £36-£40 a pound .410 primers are much slower primer due to the slow burning powder 12 gauge use CX2000 .410 use CX50 these are £37 per thousand I will sell you a roll turnover tool and shell holder for £45 +post You will then have to find wads which are around £20 per 500 Your cases still might need sizing which you now need a press Cheap is not a word that comes in to it Most people who hand load use new cases Guns and tackle in whapload don't charge £9.50 a box more like £5.70 if you buy in 250's Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted April 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 guns and tackle in whapload charges £5.60 walkers in wisbech £9.50 a box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) Cracking thread this, not sure who's winning though Edited April 12, 2014 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 back in the old days, shells were very scarce, dont forget, those days it was just black and white. colour hadnt been invented yet. the yearly wages was just 2s and 6d. paid in increments of farthings. you could go down the shops do the years shopping and still be left with 2 shillings...and still have change for fish and chips. even then we couldnt turn 12gauge shells into .410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger got stichs Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 if I were you I'd sell the 410 while your still alive,and bye a 12g if the price of carts is bothering you that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 if I were you I'd sell the 410 while your still alive,and bye a 12g if the price of carts is bothering you that much Safest bet here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 He could get papercuts from handling their money. Safe bet. Don't do any thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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