kier Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I have a .22lr with a parker hale mod marked mm1 I find it a bit loud is there a much better one , or can I open my one and make it better for a subsonic load Edited May 1, 2014 by kier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I find the SAK and Sicirroco a bit better still very reasonably priced. There are mods that cost a lot as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owo1-man Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 SAK on mine, all you hear is the hit. £37 all in can't be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipers eye Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 sak and eley subs,all you hear is the thump on the target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 sak and eley subs,all you hear is the thump on the target +1 a good combination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kier Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) didn't realise I had to sell mine first or do a trade in, will see if Bigginhill gunshop have a sak already useing eley subs Edited May 1, 2014 by kier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 The Parker Hale was the early mainstay for the .22lr, and the truth is if you are using a subsonic load, as you say, it isn't worth the debate about the difference between them all, perhaps your PH is just a bit long in the tooth and seen better days! SAK is the front runner today just the same, perfectly capable and good VFM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kier Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 The Parker Hale was the early mainstay for the .22lr, and the truth is if you are using a subsonic load, as you say, it isn't worth the debate about the difference between them all, perhaps your PH is just a bit long in the tooth and seen better days! SAK is the front runner today just the same, perfectly capable and good VFM. I think my PH is an old one but there may be something else which might be a factor my LR is a semi so is some of the noise coming from the breach when reloading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Cant fault my PH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) The Parker Hale was the early mainstay for the .22lr, and the truth is if you are using a subsonic load, as you say, it isn't worth the debate about the difference between them all, perhaps your PH is just a bit long in the tooth and seen better days! SAK is the front runner today just the same, perfectly capable and good VFM. I think my PH is an old one but there may be something else which might be a factor my LR is a semi so is some of the noise coming from the breach when reloading No moderator is going to stop any noise the action may make on a .22lr Semi. There should be no propellant noise from the action, despite what it may appear, the bullet and all but a tiny amount of energy has gone out the front of the barrel before your action cycles, spent gases should not be blasting out of your breech! As you can see I run SAK on most of mine, including the semi at the bottom, and when the second Sirocco dies on the HMR that will get a SAK as well. Top Down WMR, HMR, .22lr, .22lr Semi Edited May 1, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kier Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 No moderator is going to stop any noise the action may make on a .22lr Semi. There should be no propellant noise from the action, despite what it may appear, the bullet and all but a tiny amount of energy has gone out the front of the barrel before your action cycles, spent gases should not be blasting out of your breech! As you can see I run SAK on most of mine, including the semi at the bottom, and when the second Sirocco dies on the HMR that will get a SAK as well. 030b.jpg Top Down WMR, HMR, .22lr, .22lr Semi just a thought , nice collection though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I have a SAKO on mine which came with the gun and is whisper quiet - all I hear is the dull thup as lead hits its fleshy target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kier Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I have a SAKO on mine which came with the gun and is whisper quiet - all I hear is the dull thup as lead hits its fleshy target. thats what I need , think I will clean my PH first and go from there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) thats what I need , think I will clean my PH first and go from there Certainly worth a good clean of the PH, but be careful, taking apart (if you can), and re-assembly, the insides are commonly in kit form! I have a Sako as well, had one on my last WMR and bought a new one when I got my latest WMR, nothing wrong with them, but also no advantage on a .22lr using subs either, they are also much longer and approx. £20 more than a SAK. Sako Sirocco SAK Edited May 1, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon1979 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 wildcat whisper aren't bad value for money atb simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 wildcat whisper aren't bad value for money atb simon Parker Hale £30 SAK £35 Sirocco/Sako £55 Wildcat Whisper £120 :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I've used Parker Hale's for years and what happens is that they clagg up with powder reside and dont silence as well as they did. Its easy to clean them out unless they have really got stuck. >> Unscrew the endcap (CAREFULLY) because the threads are fairly fine and start to remove the baffles. They get covered in a fairly hard residue like the chalk in a kettle. Gently tap the outer wall to shock the baffles out. You can soak the whole lot in hot soapy water if you like. It might take a bit of perseverance to get them all out but dont beat it or force rods into the end to beat the baffles out or you will damage them. If & when you get them all out you can remove the shale with a wire brush or knife. The silencer came with a bit of rod that you reassemble the bits on to reinstallthe baffles back into the tube. I hope that this is useful info for you and helps people to save a bit of money. This is the inner parts of a Parker Hale silencer. Be carefull when re screwing the end cap as it is a fine thread and easy to cross thread or get scrawled up. use grease or copper slip to help it. Edited May 1, 2014 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonseed Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I'm sure at one time you could get a spare set of baffles on a rod for the PH moderator. Or did that stop with the demise of Parker Hale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kier Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I've used Parker Hale's for years and what happens is that they clagg up with powder reside and dont silence as well as they did. Its easy to clean them out unless they have really got stuck. >> Unscrew the endcap (CAREFULLY) because the threads are fairly fine and start to remove the baffles. They get covered in a fairly hard residue like the chalk in a kettle. Gently tap the outer wall to shock the baffles out. You can soak the whole lot in hot soapy water if you like. It might take a bit of perseverance to get them all out but dont beat it or force rods into the end to beat the baffles out or you will damage them. If & when you get them all out you can remove the shale with a wire brush or knife. The silencer came with a bit of rod that you reassemble the bits on to reinstallthe baffles back into the tube. I hope that this is useful info for you and helps people to save a bit of money. This is the inner parts of a Parker Hale silencer. Be carefull when re screwing the end cap as it is a fine thread and easy to cross thread or get scrawled up. use grease or copper slip to help it. Hi just opened mine and you have described exactly what I found thick chalky deposits (more than a teaspoon full) cleaned with a s/s wire brush and screwdriver. will test it out tomorrow, thanks for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 I remember years ago the first time I opened a PH silencer.BOING!!!!!!! And all the contents pinging to the 4 corners of the earth lol, what a tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 i now have a sak on my .22s,but there is a video on you tube somewhere and the best result by far was an ase utra,but it is £85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 i now have a sak on my .22s,but there is a video on you tube somewhere and the best result by far was an ase utra,but it is £85 http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/shooting/accessories/sound-moderators-for-22-rimfires-7960 This review goes back to 2007, it may be of some use but is obviously not up to date, does anyone know of a more recent review? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 I use a parker hale it should be listed as an ancient artefact but it does as good a job as any muzzle mounted .22 can made today IMO. A semi auto can be made real silent but strangely its done with HV like the cci mini mag barrel porting and full length can (the bullet actually leaves the muzzle at 900 ft per second so it is hence subsonic at that point. all you will hear is the click clack of the action. If you doubt this search u -tube for ONiellOPS and his review of the latest US special forces moderated pistol, there is some pretty handy gun work demonstrated at the same time BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kier Posted May 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 I use a parker hale it should be listed as an ancient artefact but it does as good a job as any muzzle mounted .22 can made today IMO. A semi auto can be made real silent but strangely its done with HV like the cci mini mag barrel porting and full length can (the bullet actually leaves the muzzle at 900 ft per second so it is hence subsonic at that point. all you will hear is the click clack of the action. If you doubt this search u -tube for ONiellOPS and his review of the latest US special forces moderated pistol, there is some pretty handy gun work demonstrated at the same time BTW. now thats expensive!! did try a 410 hushpower from Biggin Hill gunshop once , amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kier Posted May 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Well its cleaned out now , tried a couple of shots I can hear the breach clicking and doing its thing, defernately better will try more when out hunting next week thanks for the help and advice , I will see how it goes before considering a sak or sako Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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