bobt Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzxGr4Yx8U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I think this is where the new enquiry may be going. Listening to R2/4 for a few days whilst driving there seems to be a lot of talk of "The Establishment" being caught up in historic sexual abuse with police, MPs, BBC, and NHS possibly all involved. Involvement may be directly or indirectly ie some public bodies may have turned a blind eye because it was persons too important to put on trial. Now of course we see things differently -or I hope we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 the BBC in my eyes has a lot to answer for, they would have known about Rolf that's for sure, they knew about Jimmy Saville and Stuart hall but what did they do about it yes you guessed it ,,they just brushed it under the carpet and left other children to get abused, its a total disgrace and heads at the BBC should be held accountable for what has happened, the BBC is a disgrace and is full of kiddie fiddlers, atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Now that is just so funny - And true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) the BBC in my eyes has a lot to answer for, they would have known about Rolf that's for sure, they knew about Jimmy Saville and Stuart hall but what did they do about it yes you guessed it ,,they just brushed it under the carpet and left other children to get abused, its a total disgrace and heads at the BBC should be held accountable for what has happened, the BBC is a disgrace and is full of kiddie fiddlers, atb Evo all very well saying hold them accountable but assuming they wernt kiddy fiddlers themselves or actually saw any fiddling themselves or hid any physical evidence therefor making themselves accomplices to any crime i guess it was treated as gossip and rumor and as such they probably broke no laws so what could you charge them with? morally if they new anything for certain they should have said something but without any concrete evidence who would have done anything back then. they know what they knew and didnt know and they will have to live with it. Edited July 10, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzxGr4Yx8U well that is kind of telling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Having just renewed my TV licence i am struggling even more this year to justifie it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkzxGr4Yx8U I know it's a serious matter but Having just renewed my TV licence i am struggling even more this year to justifie it. You know what I totally understand that, I'm not naive enough to think that the whole place is a corrupt pedo cess pit but I'm sure senior management knew and things were swept under the carpet. I've got a computer hooked up to my tv so watching catch up would be a doddle, I'm going to do everything I can next time the license payment is due to avoid paying it, **** them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Having just renewed my TV licence i am struggling even more this year to justifie it. dont renew it i didnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 In answer to the original question...Of course the BBC knew what was going on, as did the police, the judiciary and the politicians. A fair few of them were involved, making a cover up that much easier. Possibly the reason a lot of allegations are only recently coming to light after the 'power' once wielded by these individuals has since diminished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 In addition to the BBC did the RSPCA know??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 dont renew it i didnt how did you get away with it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 all very well saying hold them accountable but assuming they wernt kiddy fiddlers themselves or actually saw any fiddling themselves or hid any physical evidence therefor making themselves accomplices to any crime i guess it was treated as gossip and rumor and as such they probably broke no laws so what could you charge them with? morally if they new anything for certain they should have said something but without any concrete evidence who would have done anything back then. they know what they knew and didnt know and they will have to live with it. all I can say is,,if I thought someone was kiddy fiddling then I would not hesitate to inform the police, if I was wrong then so be it , but you have to remember that if I was right then that person would be stopped from abusing anymore, in my eyes where children are concerned its best to be safe than sorry , as for the top brass at the BBC, it has come to light that THEY DID KNOW these things were happening,so much so they even barred jimmy saville from a certain programme , now in my eyes the people who did know and did nothing to enlighten this to the law are just as guilty as saville or anyone else for that matter, how anyone could sleep at night knowing they worked with a predator is beyond me its now come out that 2% of priests are paedo,s , so how many of those are free to abuse, its a joke atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 It was almost socially acceptable back then, the revulsion everybody shows it nowadays was not there then. Forgive the comparison but the change in acceptability is similar to how drink driving is frowned upon now compared to it being the norm back then. I knew of several teachers during my schooldays that regularly had their hands down the girls knickers, from primary school onwards. It was so well known by all the pupils that I find it impossible to believe other teachers didn't know. Nothing was done about that either. It's one thing for the BBC to know and jot do anything, I think it's an even worse that my teachers did nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 There was a case on our local news regional programme sometime last year where a vicar, priest, clergyman of some sort or other had been convicted of sexual abuse of minors over a long period of time, as in decades. Apparently his superiors had full knowledge of his deeds but rather than report him had instead moved him from parish to parish in a bid to avoid the embarrassment to the church his actions would cause if made public. I never did hear of any actions being taken against his superiors. I have no doubt there are a lot of people out there having sleepless nights. Personally, I can't see any revelations forthcoming from people who have their own best interests at heart, but if ( and it's a big if ) one little brick is removed from the wall in which the cracks are starting to show, then there will be a monumental **** covering exercise where many will be thrown onto the sacrificial fire in the name of self preservation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleFieldRelics Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 dont renew it i didnt I think when they decriminalise not paying the licence fee a lot more people wont be paying it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) how did you get away with it, law says you only need 1 if you watch live tv watch catchup theres no licence required you can opt out of having a licence on the tv licencing web site. they have no rights of entry to you home so just tell them to **** off if they come round and post it on youtube like everyone else does Edited July 14, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 There was a case on our local news regional programme sometime last year where a vicar, priest, clergyman of some sort or other had been convicted of sexual abuse of minors over a long period of time, as in decades. Apparently his superiors had full knowledge of his deeds but rather than report him had instead moved him from parish to parish in a bid to avoid the embarrassment to the church his actions would cause if made public. I never did hear of any actions being taken against his superiors. I have no doubt there are a lot of people out there having sleepless nights. Personally, I can't see any revelations forthcoming from people who have their own best interests at heart, but if ( and it's a big if ) one little brick is removed from the wall in which the cracks are starting to show, then there will be a monumental **** covering exercise where many will be thrown onto the sacrificial fire in the name of self preservation. it is far easier It is far easier to drag a celebrity into the high court than try to force the church to give up their own.... The church was a place which in times past was some where people could turn to ( and in very troubled times it kept our nation bound together) However the tap root of sexual abuse in the church runs so far and so deep, if it was to be pulled from the ground there would be no chance to fill up the hole it left behind.... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Really, which church are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Really, which church are you talking about? I think he might be talking about the church as a whole, it was all over the news last night that 2 percent of " the church" had paedos running them ie vicars priests etc so it is basically as a whole, no particular religion was mentioned if I remember rightly anyway getting off topic and religious topics are now banned if I,m correct,, atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Really, which church are you talking about? Any one you like.....but does it matter to you which one it is...? Because the victims don't have a choice of which minister, pastor, priest, Archbishop.....etc TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 However the tap root of sexual abuse in the church runs so far and so deep, if it was to be pulled from the ground there would be no chance to fill up the hole it left behind.... Bit of a leap from 2% to the above generalisation though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Bit of a leap from 2% to the above generalisation though... but 2% = around 8,000 (news quote) that's an awful lot of kiddie fiddlers in our country alone its always been mentioned in the past why most alter boys had centre parts in their hair,,,,,,," bless you my son" :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Bit of a leap from 2% to the above generalisation though... As you like the %'s Well work this lot out....However I don't see any priests on ZEE LIST.... List of Police, Prison & Court Personnel charged or convicted of an offence 2009 to 2014 – V25 (31/01/2014) Approx Count = 391 + 945 = 1336 http://www.fmotl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6251 www.twitter.com/huytonfreeman Email – huytonfreeman@hotmail.co.uk Date Name Police Force Offence Result Source 31st Jan 2014 PC Colin Andrews Humberside Police Charged with rape Proceeding Source: 30th Jan 2014 PC Kevin Zsabo Cheshire Police “Aggravated vehicle taking” Proceeding Source: 29th Jan 2014 DC Ian Payne Metropolitan Police Possession of cocaine Three month curfew Source: 28th Jan 2014 DC Simon Abel Notts Police Charged with Misconduct Proceeding Source: 24th Jan 2014 PC Clare Stretton West Mercia Police Charged with misconduct Proceeding Source: 23rd Jan 2014 DC Peter Lawrence Dorset Police Charged with ABH Proceeding Source: 22nd Jan 2014 PC Andrew Crabb Surrey Police “Driving without due care” Proceeding Source: 14th Jan 2014 Lee Kershaw Humberside Police “Six counts of rape” Proceeding Source: 11th Jan 2014 PC Keith Wallis Metropolitan Police Misconduct Awaiting Sentence Source: 11th Jan 2014 PC Christopher Hamilton Northumbria Police Child cruelty Awaiting Sentence Source: 11th Jan 2014 PCSO Kabeer Yousaf Metropolitan Police Charged with Rape Proceeding Source: 8th Jan 2014 PC James Kiddie Metropolitan Police Charged with assault Proceeding Source: 7th Jan 2014 PC Chris Young Notts Police “Sexual misconduct” Proceeding Source: 23rd Dec 2013 PC James Balneaves Metropolitan Police Assault Fined £1510 Source: 20th Dec 2013 PC Simon Ball Hertfordshire Police Assault on a woman jogger Fined £525 Source: 11th Dec 2013 PC Allan Taylor Aberdeen police ‘Dangerous driving’ Proceeding Source: 10th Dec 2013 PC Chris Semak West Midlands Sex with 14 year old girl Jailed for six years Source: Source: 7th Dec 2013 PC Nick Alston Essex Police “Fraud” Resigned Source: 18th Nov 2013 Sgt Mick Defries British Transport Police Charged with child sex offences Jailed for two years Source: Source: 15th Nov 2013 CS Ian Paterson Grampian Police Sexual Assault Jailed for eighteen months Source: 13th Nov 2013 Martin McElvenna Thames Valley Police Charged with Misconduct Proceeding Source: 11th Nov 2013 Lawrence Farrington Merseyside Police Serial Sex Attacks Jailed for twelve years Source: 8th Nov 2013 PC Daniel Rous Metropolitan Police Possession of indecent images Proceeding Source: 7th Nov 2013 Daniel Withnell Greater Manchester Planting a shotgun Jailed for four years Source: Source: 25th Oct 2013 PC Vinod Dahiya West Mercia Police Charged with rape Proceeding TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Work what out? What does any of that have to do with the BBC or "the" church? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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