activeviii Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Looking for a cheepish steel, none toxic cart for decoyed pigeon. Any recommendations please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger got stichs Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 hull steel game 32 or 28grm 4# the latter are aprox £135 per 1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 hull steel game 32 or 28grm 4# the latter are aprox £135 per 1000 Really? Where from? Sounds too good to be true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Really? Where from? Sounds too good to be true! Try longs country goods in Massingham mate, I think they do some cheapish steel, from what I remember some steel loads were a lot cheaper than lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IEH Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Gamebore Super Steel 32g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tignme Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Why 32 grams. we are using 24 grams no 7 to good effect. Mirage 24 and 28 gram no 7s. 24s £150.00 and 28s £160.00 per thousand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 32g of steel is a good amount of pellets for decoying. 28 gram will give about the same as a 30 g lead load so more than enough. As steel patterns tighter than lead no wonder some are doing well with 24 g loads. It's distance that needs to kept sensible. Inside 25 yards a steel clay load will kill pigeons all day Long. I've shot 24 gram steel at some long clay targets and had good breaks with them same as lead, mixed up steel24g and lead 28g In my pocket and loaded my semi without looking at what carts were going in so shot them with out knowing as I wanted to see for myself if I could tell a difference in recoil speed and breaks. No difference at all through the semi, my son tried it and he said the same. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 32g of steel is a good amount of pellets for decoying. 28 gram will give about the same as a 30 g lead load so more than enough. As steel patterns tighter than lead no wonder some are doing well with 24 g loads. It's distance that needs to kept sensible. Inside 25 yards a steel clay load will kill pigeons all day Long. I've shot 24 gram steel at some long clay targets and had good breaks with them same as lead, mixed up steel24g and lead 28g In my pocket and loaded my semi without looking at what carts were going in so shot them with out knowing as I wanted to see for myself if I could tell a difference in recoil speed and breaks. No difference at all through the semi, my son tried it and he said the same. Figgy 28 grams of steel is the approximate equivalent of 39 grams of lead, in volume. This means even a 24 gram steel load have more pellets than your average lead pigeon load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 24g pigeon loads in steel work, when i made mine i used 24g of #5steel. i think the speed was 1450fps or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 So I'm looking for 24 of 5 or 6 then it looks like. Now just need to find the right deal. Proper cartridges, how much please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 So I'm looking for 24 of 5 or 6 then it looks like. Now just need to find the right deal. Proper cartridges, how much please? dont think they do steel. but 24grams of 7 seems awfully popular with those shooters who want "value" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Use lead. This video suggests he gets on pretty well with Gamebore Pigeon Extreme ( 4m in to to film). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jge3o0qPXw&list=PL3KxM9c3T7K86QQNuh2yBikBWXvgGcCek&index=2&src_vid=90rPJTq9toI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_1919622377 What would the total bag be with steel? I guess the guy would use steel if he rated the stuff? Edited July 21, 2014 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshiretaxidermy Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Use lead. This video suggests he gets on pretty well with Gamebore Pigeon Extreme ( 4m in to to film). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jge3o0qPXw&list=PL3KxM9c3T7K86QQNuh2yBikBWXvgGcCek&index=2&src_vid=90rPJTq9toI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_1919622377 What would the total bag be with steel? I guess the guy would use steel if he rated the stuff? He doesn't wanna use lead, that's why he asked for non toxic load advice. Fri afternoon, shot 81 with 28g steel 7s, Saturday shot 156 with a mix of 24 and 28g steel 7s. 28g - £41.25/250 and 24g £37.50/250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 He doesn't wanna use lead, that's why he asked for non toxic load advice. Fri afternoon, shot 81 with 28g steel 7s, Saturday shot 156 with a mix of 24 and 28g steel 7s. 28g - £41.25/250 and 24g £37.50/250. Ah OK gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger got stichs Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 forelock and load nr bury st Edmunds Suffolk. been using the steel my self last 2 weeks getting on very well with it carn't see what all the fuss is about it not killing proper and all that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2202 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I have gone back to lead. 32g no6 black golds. Too many pricked birds that have flown away to die due to steel I feel that it's far more humane to stick to what's best for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 forelock and load nr bury st Edmunds Suffolk. been using the steel my self last 2 weeks getting on very well with it carn't see what all the fuss is about it not killing proper and all that? Same, 28g 4s I think they are. Cheap as chips and for a properly committed, decoyed pigeon they are more than good enough. Although saying that, killed one at 54 long strides on Sunday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrshiretaxidermy Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I have gone back to lead. 32g no6 black golds. Too many pricked birds that have flown away to die due to steel I feel that it's far more humane to stick to what's best for me. I think the pricked birds may be due to you and not the steel cartridge. If you hit it properly, its coming down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanm Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 i had a few hours at the pigeons on saturday with lead as i didnt have any light steel loaded up, and i shot terrible about 3 for 1 that night i loaded 2 boxes of 28gr 3.25mm steel and killed 39 (a lot of these were flighting and not coming in) i then went back onto lead when id run out of steel and gave up after 10 shots as i was getting no where, not sure the reason for this (maybe the extra speed of the steel) but i wont be using anything but steel from now on.after reading some of the replys on here will give 24gr a try also to make it a bit cheaper ,not used much factory steel but homeloads and a briley i/m was killing them cleanly at some very good ranges (further than i ever did with lead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 So if I am to move from LEAD to STEEL and I use 32g no 6 at present do I drop the load and increase size or drop load and size.... confused in Cambridge :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) So if I am to move from LEAD to STEEL and I use 32g no 6 at present do I drop the load and increase size or drop load and size.... confused in Cambridge :-) use what ever load is cheapest but make sure its fast and #5 steel minimum. i had my 24gram #5 loads running fast. Edited July 24, 2014 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanm Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 last couple of days (against my better judgement because of the shot size) i tried some express nitedral 24gr steel 7s ,and killed 50 odd pigeons with them , i was actually quite impressed,i started of with nothing over 25 yrd and it powdered them,so then tried them a bit further ,i had a briley i/m in my versa max and it worked nicely to 40 -45 yrd i didnt push it any further but these cost me £31 /250 so for birds coming in to the pattern they were very good and cheap aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 its finding them thats the problem now. most shops will order but only 5k or more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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