Penelope Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Summer, 1977 (Jubilee year) 12 bore Eley Grand Prix paper case 1 1/16oz 7's through my dad's AYA No.4 (later mine) at a plastic bucket at 10 yards on the corner of the 'L' shaped spinney on our friend's farm in Wilden, Beds, supervised by my dad to show me how devastating a shotgun could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 This photo is in memory of the late Royston 'Winkie' Wilkes. A shooting mate from the very early 1960s. His gun was the first 12 I ever fired. As previously stated, my first shot was with a 'Maximum'. The cartridges below were of the type Winkie was shooting when I first encountered the gun. 36 gram! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Did you ever shoot Frank Dyke's 'Yellow Wizard'? They were 12/6 a box in 1961. Yep remember them, bought them when the local ironmongers run out of grand prix. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Yep remember them, bought them when the local ironmongers run out of grand prix. Blackpowder Yep, thats the ones, yellow wizard. There were also some Czech ones brought into the country by Edgar Bros I think. There was a spiel about how much we owed Czechoslovakia because of what they went through during the war and exports were helping them re-build the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 light blue coloured eley size9 shot.given 600 carts by a friend when he gave his guns up.bowled many a bunny over in the early 90,s also some green 2"cartridges with no makers name on in the same batch of freebies all grass green in colour had eley kynoch on the base?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) Yep, thats the ones, yellow wizard. There were also some Czech ones brought into the country by Edgar Bros I think. There was a spiel about how much we owed Czechoslovakia because of what they went through during the war and exports were helping them re-build the country. They would be an orange paper case, Sellier and Bellot make; headstamp, 'SBP Made in Czechoslovakia' a few words on the case saying that they were loaded with electronic machinery.In 1962, they were flat packed 10s and retailed at 5/3d (26pence). The muzzle flash was impressive! Later, in the early 1970s, after the Eley explosion, S&B skeet and trap shells arrived on the UK market. I remember buttoning for the local Skeet shooter, Joe Kitson, on his very first 100 straight, at Worcs. Gun Club, using these 32 gram shells. Edited August 18, 2014 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 They would be an orange paper case, Sellier and Bellot make; headstamp, 'SBP Made in Czechoslovakia' a few words on the case saying that they were loaded with electronic machinery. In 1962, they were flat packed 10s and retailed at 5/3d (26pence). The muzzle flash was impressive! Yes, that's the ones. I remember them now. We used to buy them to shoot Sqirrels and then get the shilling for the tails and then buy some more it was very cheap shooting when that system was in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 eley fourlong No6 .410 at an oil can so ''you can see it is'nt a toy''.........used to have 3 cartridges given to me and if I came back with a pigeon got 3 more............remember Dad bringing home 25 winchester 410 in smart red plastic,they were a massive step up and meant I could stretch out to 25+ yarders!! The fourlongs smelt better though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Baikals and on payday would splash oot on some Eley,Alphamax?,for the geese. Only Baikals on mail order for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddaftspaniel Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 Around 1974/75 Eley fourlong paper case through a BSA bolt action .410 that my Dad bought for 10 bob from Donald Dallas the gun writer who had a half share in it with a pal. Was a lovely wee gun but I broke the stock bashing in the head of a fox (I had used my one and only cartridge on it) that had been bothering our hens. It was cheaper to buy a new Spanish bolt action than to get a new stock made. The Spanish gun came into its own when the Eley factory blew up and you couldn't get 410 cartridges for love nor money. A friend who lived in Edinburgh got me a box of 3" magnum Winchester Super XXXX.........................they were fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 They would be an orange paper case, Sellier and Bellot make; headstamp, 'SBP Made in Czechoslovakia' a few words on the case saying that they were loaded with electronic machinery. In 1962, they were flat packed 10s and retailed at 5/3d (26pence). The muzzle flash was impressive! Later, in the early 1970s, after the Eley explosion, S&B skeet and trap shells arrived on the UK market. I remember buttoning for the local Skeet shooter, Joe Kitson, on his very first 100 straight, at Worcs. Gun Club, using these 32 gram shells. You have got a very good memory there "Floating Chamber" my first ones were Yellow Wizards from the hard ware shop at 12/6d a box, then if we couldn't afford a box of 25 a chap down the road sold Baikel in square boxes of ten , I think they had cross guns and a dog on the box and the cartridge was red , they were 5/0d a box or 50p. Happy days ....Gone but not forgotten . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Gosh some of you guys amaze me I cant even remember the gun and I am unsure of if it was even a .410 or 12. I think most likely it was a .410 Webley & Scott bolt action and if so I think it would have been Eley shells in that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 This photo is in memory of the late Royston 'Winkie' Wilkes. A shooting mate from the very early 1960s. His gun was the first 12 I ever fired. As previously stated, my first shot was with a 'Maximum'. The cartridges below were of the type Winkie was shooting when I first encountered the gun. 36 gram! Those Hymax were my favourite wildfowling cartridges apart from Alfamax , only bought them when we could afford em which wernt very often . I didn't realise they were 36grams, being young grams didn't mean a thing to me , it was a good job then I had a Midland 3 inch that could take them with no trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 first one was ely fourten no 5 shot ,single barrel bellgium hammer gun,cock pheasant 53 years ago ,the cockbird was shoved in the lining of my jacket because we didn't buy a game license which I think cost £3 then ,we paid ten bob (50 p) for a gun license to use air guns and shot guns , we could buy the carts sold lose sixpence (2 1/2p) each from the ironmongers !they where cheaper from the gunshop put a 13yr old lad had to spend his pocket money wisely. atb DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 3 crowns game 32g 6s Shooting rooks on my uncles farm.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Red Rival was the first cartridge and oh yes the Yellow Wizards couldnt afford the Eley Grand Prix when I was a lad, they were Dads cartrigdes, the boys had the cheap stuff but we killed as much as he did - Ha Ha !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 GB club 32 gram 6s out of a baikel semi auto which i still have as it was only 2 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Eley Grand Prix, 11/16 0z (30g) through a Browning Auto-5 on the banks of the Wye at Foy. I'd be around twelve, and still remember the thumping recoil. I kept the plastic case for years afterwards. Thinking hard, I did fire a 9mm rimfire through a Webley bolt-action garden gun, under close supervision, a little earlier. My Dad gave me that little gun a couple of years ago, ammunition is still easily available and it is great fun for mini competitions between friends. I had a box of the double charge, black powder cartridges; paper cased with copper base. The case would disappear on firing, leaving the base cap, obturation was unreliable with gas blowback on firing! The Eley and Fiocchi stuff was very mild, there was some German ammo which was decidedly hot, RWS I think.I did source some recently, but found it comparable with other stuff. We had a .22 rifle, a BSA pump action in .22 LR. There used to be a lovely chap, Eric Langley, who had a shop in Stechford, Birmingham, he went on to manage the Bog range at Minsterley. He had a supply of Remington UMC BB caps, no powder charge, just a very short rimfire case with a round lead ball of bore size. Probably worth a fortune now, but we shot several hundred, almost no report, just the thunk of the firing pin strike and the impact of the bullet. Power -wise, substantially more than an air rifle, I would guess around the 20 ft/lb mark, comparable to a good modern FAC PCP rifle. Horribly corrosive, requiring lots of hot water and Young's 303. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 mine was a paper 9mm cartridge with loads of little diamonds or squares all around it. I cannot remember the name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Eley Grand Prix, 11/16 0z (30g) through a Browning Auto-5 on the banks of the Wye at Foy. I'd be around twelve, and still remember the thumping recoil. I kept the plastic case for years afterwards. Thinking hard, I did fire a 9mm rimfire through a Webley bolt-action garden gun, under close supervision, a little earlier. My Dad gave me that little gun a couple of years ago, ammunition is still easily available and it is great fun for mini competitions between friends. I had a box of the double charge, black powder cartridges; paper cased with copper base. The case would disappear on firing, leaving the base cap, obturation was unreliable with gas blowback on firing! The Eley and Fiocchi stuff was very mild, there was some German ammo which was decidedly hot, RWS I think.I did source some recently, but found it comparable with other stuff. We had a .22 rifle, a BSA pump action in .22 LR. There used to be a lovely chap, Eric Langley, who had a shop in Stechford, Birmingham, he went on to manage the Bog range at Minsterley. He had a supply of Remington UMC BB caps, no powder charge, just a very short rimfire case with a round lead ball of bore size. Probably worth a fortune now, but we shot several hundred, almost no report, just the thunk of the firing pin strike and the impact of the bullet. Power -wise, substantially more than an air rifle, I would guess around the 20 ft/lb mark, comparable to a good modern FAC PCP rifle. Horribly corrosive, requiring lots of hot water and Young's 303. I think we must be brothers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) mine was a paper 9mm cartridge with loads of little diamonds or squares all around it. I cannot remember the name Yup, I have shot 'em all! Great memories! Edited August 31, 2014 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Now there is a memory of me 'saving' our chickens from rats as only a kid can do......I still have the gun! It's rough as a badger but still works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Wow, greetings Brother! Had forgotten the CB caps and the modern, pointed, BB caps, quite a lot noisier as I recall, but still a lot quieter than the .22HV (Eley, blue/ black/ yellow box with a bounding rabbit on the flap). Superb pictures, btw. Very different times, I started shooting at the Belfry Hotel, now HQ of the PGA, where there was a little Skeet shoot, this would be around 1973. Ammunition was almost exclusively Eley, initially the paper cased Trapshooting, then the Plaswad, plastic cased, Super Trap/ Super Skeet, generally bought in single boxes. Very few people seemed to buy more than 250 at a time and reloading was common. It was possible to make considerable savings by reloading, the standard spec used Nobel no 60 powder, fibre wads and 32 g of shot initiated by a Surefire primer, this pretty well duplicated the Trapshooting load. I had a Lyman Easy press and loaded my own for years. Long break at University, qualification,marriage and move to the countryside, Atherstone in N Warwickshire where I discovered Garlands, around 1983. People now bought in bulk, Eley Olympic Trap and Winchester AA being the favourites. Another long break and then rediscovered shooting at Edge Hill, Ian Coley's and various other grounds in the Midlands. Now a regular claybuster with good friends who shoot for fun,take the mick and generally have a good time. As I said, I still have that little 9mm rimfire, am fortunate to have a large garden adjacent to a working farm, so no-one phones the Police when we shoot in the garden, the report of the Garden Gun in minimal in any case, and very suitable for introducing novices to cartridge firearms without the recoil and blast of the bigger calibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daystate 177 Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 remember my first shot with a shotgun a Beretta over under, at clays where I used to release the clays on a Sunday for 15 quid! The bloke said ill teach you how to dust em gave me what felt like a lead balloon and been a whipper snapper to boot didn't help, he stood behind me and said fire Jesus Christ I was on the deck the recoil was so harsh! After that I was told it was a special cart for a newbie, every week then after we had done the stands I'd get to shoot a few clays no more hard recoil. Think I passed there test by taking it on the chin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 eley 3" .410 through a converted lee enfield. full mag on held i think 8 with "one up the spout"> brilliant gun but ohhh the weight...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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