Laird Lugton Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I know a lot of Scots people through my work and through my living in Peterhead for 3 years most are genuinely worried about a yes vote, Yet would it not be lovely to see the promises that billy blowfish is making aka several virgins in paradise!come to a shuddering halt with the onset of reality when an independent Scotland has to pay its own way via its own non subsidised taxation revenue intake, bye bye free uni and prescriptions, strewth the chip that would be off the shoulder for a while will come back with the vengeance of a genital wart. KW Have you had much experience of genital warts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcleod Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I wonder how many companies are planning an exodus from Scotland if they split, I know mine is, the plan has already been drawn up. Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I only know a few "Yes" supporters but none of them are ardent Braveheart watchers and none cry "freedom". They believe politics at Westminster to be broken and want to take the chance on a new start. I do not share their optimism but I agree with their view on Westminster. To an extent I can understand the yes camps appetite for a change in management, I just don't think they'll like the replacement as much as they think they might and in a few years they'll be asking for another change in management, just as we all do every few years! When Westminster can no longer be blamed for hardships (don't forget all that debt that has to be repaid!), the blame will simply fall on the new Scottish government. But hey, the Scottish have been banging on about hating Westminster for long enough, so if they really believe they can do better alone then that's up to them isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I'm thinking of going skiing in Scotland over Christmas but I'm waiting until after the vote to see how the land lies before booking anything. I'm concerned that whichever way the vote goes there will be a rise in anti - English sentiment. The post above confirms my worry. On this I wouldn't worry, but I wouldn't be flying a union jack. I bought my car in Cheshire and it has an English reg. I am not in the slightest bit worried on that front. But a UK:OK sticker might be pushing things. My mother (from Cheshire with a posh English accent) has been up here for 50 years and never suffered any English abuse. Apart from banter I have never heard any either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Yawn hmm Scottish jobs going out the window obviously doesn't bother you then.. but hey, why am I worried, it'll be more jobs for us Have a nice kip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I wonder how many companies are planning an exodus from Scotland if they split, I know mine is, the plan has already been drawn up. The flip side is this creates an opportunity for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Regarding the hardening of attitudes, I think aris' response was fairly close to what I am seeing and hearing. Folk who would once have laughed off all the 'auld enemy' talk are now taking it to heart. Matters such as free prescriptions and university education grate, but just in general I think many have just heard enough from the small but vocal minority who for years have voiced their deep dislike of all things English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Regardless of a yes/no vote, the ordinary man/woman will see no benefit. Politicians have and will continue to shaft and tax us to hell. A friend once said to me you can stick all the politicians in a back and take a kick at it and you won't hit the wrong one. But for all that I am happy with the status quo and will be voting NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 To an extent I can understand the yes camps appetite for a change in management, I just don't think they'll like the replacement as much as they think they might and in a few years they'll be asking for another change in management, just as we all do every few years! When Westminster can no longer be blamed for hardships (don't forget all that debt that has to be repaid!), the blame will simply fall on the new Scottish government. But hey, the Scottish have been banging on about hating Westminster for long enough, so if they really believe they can do better alone then that's up to them isn't it? Well it is. I agree it'll be same ****, different boss. The question is can it be any worse? I think it can, hence my "no" vote. But then I am in an ok financial situation so have a lot to lose. Those less fortunate don't see much risk and are therefore more willing to vote yes...... I, being of mixed stock, will be entitled to live in England-shire so have a plan B (unlike Salmond)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistolgrip Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 scotland, northen island and wales have the highest unemployment and highest level of poverty in the british isles while the south east of england are reporting a financial recovery funny that, just saying thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcleod Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 The flip side is this creates an opportunity for someone else. Sounds about right Lairdie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 The flip side is this creates an opportunity for someone else. Not for the one I was referring to it won't. Regarding the hardening of attitudes, I think aris' response was fairly close to what I am seeing and hearing. Folk who would once have laughed off all the 'auld enemy' talk are now taking it to heart. Matters such as free prescriptions and university education grate, but just in general I think many have just heard enough from the small but vocal minority who for years have voiced their deep dislike of all things English. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Well it is. I agree it'll be same ****, different boss. The question is can it be any worse? I think it can, hence my "no" vote. But then I am in an ok financial situation so have a lot to lose. Those less fortunate don't see much risk and are therefore more willing to vote yes...... I, being of mixed stock, will be entitled to live in England-shire so have a plan B (unlike Salmond)... I think you're probably right.... interesting times eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 The flip side is this creates an opportunity for someone else. Uncertainty and high taxation doesn't attract opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Have you had much experience of genital warts? yes they paint you with blue unction leaving a bit of a white stripe now and then and your hair goes ginger. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Laird Lugton Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 just check out the facts of "the Barnett formula" which, according to various sources, gives the per capita tax spend in Scotland from central government as being between 50 and 250 pounds per person depending on the veiwpoint of the source in question. All have to admit more is spent. I don't doubt more is spent but is more collected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 An all time classic but could we have this in Dolby 5.1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) Laird Lugton - you have been quite prolific on this thread and cast the odd snide remark my way. I have seen nothing in your posts to say that your opinion is worth a bean. Bit like Salmond. Edited September 7, 2014 by Gordon R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 You talk utter balderdash. Would you care to explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 Laird Lugton, been interesting reading whilst catching up with this thread tonight and your posts. We are both in agreement in respect to a No vote and you share my feelings towards a lot of the misinformation that has been allowed to promulgate, especially in respect to the level of subsidy Scotland apparently receives from England. Scotland does have a higher level of public spending than the rest of the UK, but the tax contribution per head of populace has also been higher, so we are a net contributor to the wealth of the UK, for the current time at least. Unfortunately there is so much complexity around how tax is accounted for and how public expenditure is made that there will never be an absolutely straight answer on exactly how the numbers really work out, but as it stands Scotland more than holds it's own. Having said that I personally believe that being part of a union offers more advantages than the risk and uncertainties of opting for independence, not least because of the rather more fervent socialist tendencies of the Scottish folk and that to my mind is not compatible with a prosperous and vibrant future. Incidentally I wouldn't put a 'No Thanks' or 'UK OK' sticker on my car or put a poster in the house window either because i strongly suspect it would result in vandalism. I have contributed quite a bit to online debates and also a little bit of public campaigning and the level of vitriol aimed towards me for daring to challenge the claims of the Yes side has been eye opening and alarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Looking forward to the result. If Scotland goes then Bon voyage to the peasants. If it stays then I'll be left with an incredibly bad taste in my mouth and I hope to god we put the insolent swine to the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 the thing that makes me chuckle is they seem to be cherry picking what they want to take from the relationship a bit like when some ones mrs leaves and she takes all the good stuff with her!! oh yeah we will keep the pound, the monarchy, etc but what about the NHS? are they setting their own up?? are they setting their own welfare system up? what about all the uk civil servants currently employed in Scotland? our Submarine base will have to move south. the thing that irks me though is what happens if it all goes pete tong?? and it turns out Salmond really was spouting egotistical tosh?? i can see very big taxation and the scottish pound being worth less?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I suspect the marginal voters will bottle it but if it does go through Will Tories get the benefit in next election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 But you are not voting for a new government you will be effectively be voting for a new country. Nobody really knows what the effect of a yes vote will be but I predict it will a disaster for Scotland. I moved to Ibiza back at the beginning of July and this debate is in the news daily. It's headline stuff here in Catalonia because a "Yes" vote from Scotland will set a precedent for Spain and Catalan independence. If you think a "Yes" vote will be a disaster for Scotland you wait until Catalonia gains independence; Spain will be bankrupt. I respect any country's call for independence but I hope the voters understand the true consequences. At the same time, I hope we are well out of the EU by then or we'll be footing the bailout bill when Spain's economy collapses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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