Gordon R Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) I don't accept your opinion, because you don't know your subject. Edited September 16, 2014 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Offer something more then. I to can trawl through threads and just put things like....no it's not, your are wrong etc etc. Give it some foundation. I wont agree but others will/might and that surely must be the point you are trying to make when posting?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I was reading the thread when you had a pop at guest1957, for no reason other than he pointed out you were wrong - and you were wrong. I don't see anything sensible which you have added to the thread. Take this little gem:- If they fancy they will just steal your car and take it to pieces if suspected and then you can make claims in court for them to put it back together. No chance of any facts clouding the issue. It's just gibberish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Wonder if it is possible to take the red dye out. Maybe a resin bed filter would do it. but the cost of the filtration and replacement of the resin on a regular basis would probably outweigh the savings. Would be an interesting exercise to try. Extremely easy to remove the red dye out of diesel if you know what you are doing. Started my working life as an HGV fitter and saw it done many a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Gordon, have a look through the links I posted and see what hmrc can do to your vehicle and what they are obliged to do and have to be ordered to do or pay for. I wasn't having a pop at anyone. Again you have offered nothing. Get a grip, offer something up, have a conversation. Edited September 16, 2014 by onatangent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Extremely easy to remove the red dye out of diesel if you know what you are doing. Started my working life as an HGV fitter and saw it done many a time. Thought it must be possible otherwise it wouldn't be an offence to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 onatangent - I have read through your posts and can't find one which is factually correct. You rattle on about Laws, Pace, By-laws like you have some concept of what they are. You don't.As for the advice to drive off - priceless. Here's another:- You are not obliged to do anything unless a charge and arrest is presented. What exactly does that mean? You get arrested, then you are interviewed and then charged. As for red diesel offences being Civil Law - classic. It is a criminal offence. It is tax evasion. I know exactly what HMRC and the Police can do, but you clearly don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Arrested for what has always been the point!? Suspicion!? Everything I have written is carp, so what. My view point and understanding or the lack there of. It is because of people like you that don't have contention that the country is the way it is and full of ****ry folk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Now that is a class reply. Complete gibberish. :lol: For the record, I think people who evade taxation should be caught and punished. Timps had a genuine contribution about machinery on sites. A few points which I hadn't considered and very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 That's because you think its important, good for you. I personally don't care about tax evasion. The average Joe and their evasion is a splash in the big scheme of things. Yes it all adds up I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Straight question - are you still at school? It would explain a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Get stuffed, are you the inspector of taxes? If not I am sure its on your bucket list. Sad. Pop around and I will school you, patronising aardvark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Get stuffed, are you the inspector of taxes? If not I am sure its on your bucket list. Sad. Pop around and I will school you, patronising aardvark. Quality lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 If you get caught running on red you are in trouble. If you get caught with a secret tank to run on red you are in a lot of trouble! Fullers Earth can be used to remove the dye. HMRC know this and if you sell large quantities of Fullers Earth you are required to inform HMRC who bought it. I believe there is a chemical trace in there too so even if you do remove the colour they can still tell. How true this is I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Not used fullers earth since the MOD. Useful stuff for lots of things then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Get stuffed, are you the inspector of taxes? If not I am sure its on your bucket list. Sad. Pop around and I will school you, patronising aardvark. Please put a warning on. Laughed so much at patronising aardvark l started coughing so much l had to make a dive for the loo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Not used fullers earth since the MOD. Useful stuff for lots of things then lol Cat litter being one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onatangent Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 and what we called chick **** for oil spills iirc. People assume for the most part its cement dust, which it isn't of course. Sorry about aardvark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 So to recap then, if you are pulled over by the police and or customs and you moral outrage at reducing your tax burden hasn't stood in your way, and you don't have the gonads to tell them to get lost, or have a HSE plan in mind and given you have not un-dyed the red or have two or more tanks, please pay the £500 fine or risk loosing it all. it could be worse you could be an Aardvark, think i'll stick with the veg and save the planet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I disagree. People can only be present on your property with consent and implied consent can be removed by the landowner or tenant. HMRC are not the law nor are they above it. Compliance is your choice. Why would any one wish to incriminate themselves? Prove I am living beyond my means, not declaring my cash sales etc etc. Make a case with evidence. Suspicion is bs on its own surely?? Investigative policing not supposition. As I said I will happily put it to the test as its unlawful. An act is not law. Most police attendance is to maintane the peace and try to arrest for breach of it. As a citizen you can use reasonable force, against anyone should the reason be arguable in court. If you have something they can leverage against you be it fac, licence, etc then compliance is expected for fear of the unknown repercussions. Just because hmrc and the police do things does not make it legal/lawful. As I said its an act, not law offered up in the best interest of the public, sorry revenue in fines and imposition. Will have to agree to disagree then. I am self employed and have been for a while now so look forward to the day it happens. Been a fun topic thus far and I will stick to my guns should the time come. See you on the 6 o'clock news . There is a big movement at the minute with oppositions to acts as freemen. Things are forced upon us in our best interest applicable or not whether you or I vote on it or its passed and issued without notice. Act still isn't a law. Guidelines for pursuance to prosecute in law. I'm sure I will have my day, and video my failure or success hopefully lol A couple of points ,there are people that do not need your consent to walk onto your land and you cannot withdraw your consent. And the freemen of the land movement are barking mad idiots with an argument that holds as much truth as a bucket with no bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Or a bottom with wasps up it. Edited September 16, 2014 by loriusgarrulus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazbev Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 You can remove the dye but the diesel has a chemical marker that you can't get out,if you get dipped they take it into a mini laboratory by the roadside and can tell straight away,in fact there was a rumour that the dye is going all together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 A couple of points ,there are people that do not need your consent to walk onto your land and you cannot withdraw your consent. And the freemen of the land movement are barking mad idiots with an argument that holds as much truth as a bucket with no bottom someone talking sense on this thread at last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 someone talking sense on this thread at last Is it that woman with wasps up her bottom? ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 This thread has just about ran its course, Any more bickering/insults will see it closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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