BRYAN3 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bearing in mind that ammo sales now have to be stored electronicaly possibly also on a database accessed by Police/HO,then yes they are worried about something. So what is it? A Bosnia style ethnic cleansing situation in the UK, it wouldn't take many beheadings here for the smelly stuf to hit the fan. Or- Ukip winning the general election handsdown and Camoron and his friends in high places not wishing to give up their power? On the new visits if they actually happen in any number, of coarse Police will quickly tell the world of the numbers of arrests and confiscations but,if 99.99999% of visits are found to have been clear of any wrong doing,will we here the figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Missing weapons (2007-2011) Weapon Stolen Lost Source: FoI request to Home Office Shotgun 1,448 730 Rifle 294 86 Sound moderator 148 82 Pistol 16 14 Spare 8 3 Revolver 8 14 Slaughtering instrument 4 4 Humane killer 3 5 Musket 1 2 Gun 1 1 Spare barrels 1 1 Other 7 11 Total 1,939 95 I think this is the numbers quoted in the video. I don't know it its true but read somewhere that the total numbers included those lost and stolen for the army and police within the UK. if that is true it would be very interesting to see what those numbers are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 It can't includ those last by the arm http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1158432/MoD-lost-165-pistols-rifles-machine-guns--27-000-rounds-ammunition.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 A well-presented video, with all the figures that have been presented by the police in support of this new initiative. Would it not be a worthwhile counter by those that have the information available to them to publish the figures for the number of police firearms lost/stolen as a percentage of firearms held by the police together with the number of recorded negligent discharges, separating out deaths/injuries, etc. over the same time period to ascertain where resources would be best directed?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bearing in mind that ammo sales now have to be stored electronicaly possibly also on a database accessed by Police/HO,then yes they are worried about something. Precisely my point. Anyone purchasing ammo quantities much in excess of that previously obtained could well expect a visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Precisely my point. Anyone purchasing ammo quantities much in excess of that previously obtained could well expect a visit. I wouldn't think any RFD is going to sell some one 1000 rounds when it says on their FAC they can only hold 500! would they?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 I wouldn't think any RFD is going to sell some one 1000 rounds when it says on their FAC they can only hold 500! would they?! Oh, come on, of course not! But what if they purchased 300 and then another 300 a month later when previously records reflected that an annual purchase of 500 was the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Something that just struck me in the 80's when the IRA were "terrorists" and British streets had army check points, armed police etc this wasnt an issue the law abiding people of the land who owned firearms weren't seen as a terrorist arming point or subject to these sorts of initiatives. So now there is some trouble thousands of miles away it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Something that just struck me in the 80's when the IRA were "terrorists" and British streets had army check points, armed police etc this wasnt an issue the law abiding people of the land who owned firearms weren't seen as a terrorist arming point or subject to these sorts of initiatives. So now there is some trouble thousands of miles away it is? Exactly, but nowadays they do want to target gun ownership in general. It is part of the UN anti-gun agenda and they are conveniently using terrorism so that people don't speak out about it. "After all you wouldn't want terorists getting guns would you?" This is like the anti photography hysteria after 9/11 when anyone taking a photo of anything remotely sensitive was either grilled by the police or even arrested when they stood up for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Whilst I think this is an ill advised publicity stunt which smears law abiding shooters, I'm not ready to buy into any UN conspiracy theory! That is proper tin foil hat territory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Something that just struck me in the 80's when the IRA were "terrorists" and British streets had army check points, armed police etc this wasnt an issue the law abiding people of the land who owned firearms weren't seen as a terrorist arming point or subject to these sorts of initiatives. So now there is some trouble thousands of miles away it is? I think there is trouble far closer to home...... Apart from the UK problems..... Just look at those Austrian pregnant girls ....... This will perpetuate problems over generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Whilst I think this is an ill advised publicity stunt which smears law abiding shooters, I'm not ready to buy into any UN conspiracy theory! That is proper tin foil hat territory! It is not, look who funds the gun control network and most antigun organizations in the UK. It is IANSA. http://www.iansa.org/ IANSA is funded by the UN. I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the UN are antigun and want to ban guns worldwide. You only have to look at the sculpture in the front of thier headquarters in New York. http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/152292/530wm/C0089606-Gun_sculpture_at_United_Nations_New_York.-SPL.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 It is not, look who funds the gun control network and most antigun organizations in the UK. It is IANSA. http://www.iansa.org/ IANSA is funded by the UN. I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the UN are antigun and want to ban guns worldwide. You only have to look at the sculpture in the front of thier headquarters in New York. http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/152292/530wm/C0089606-Gun_sculpture_at_United_Nations_New_York.-SPL.jpg But they don't fund ACPO or the Home Office who are responsible for the policy we are discussing. I suspect the sculpture reflects their laudible but unrealistic intent to prevent war and illegal arms trafficking. It does not mean that when the FEO interrupts my tea to look in my cabinet, that it's at the UNs bidding!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Something sensible on the subject, Thanks for posting. As I've said before, when it comes to quoting anything to do with firearms, from a police point of view, the figures don't always reflect the entire truth. The media and unknowledgeable public will now be able to say to whomever cares to listen that the official figures for lost or stolen guns stands at such and such a figure, when in fact if you break down what is already a small percentage of all legitimate firearms owned, the real figure consists of many items which can't even be used as firearms such as moderators etc, for example. Included in that figure are some handguns which can't be owned by anyone other than a criminal because they were banned some years ago, so why they are included in a list of what is claimed to be legitimately owned firearms I have no idea. In recent armistices when the general public have been allowed, for a time, to surrender guns to the police, there have indeed been some genuine functional firearms handed in, but the vast majority have consisted of replicas, deacts, antiques, air pistols, air rifles and toys such as BB or air soft. But because of the way it is allowed to be reported, ALL are lumped together and reported to the world in general as firearms. If anyone wants to see a good example of how this works visit the 'guns in crime' section of the Leeds Armouries; there you will find a big collection of 'firearms' seized or surrendered following one of the armistices; the vast majority are non-functional. Agenda? What agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Thanks for posting. As I've said before, when it comes to quoting anything to do with firearms, from a police point of view, the figures don't always reflect the entire truth. The media and unknowledgeable public will now be able to say to whomever cares to listen that the official figures for lost or stolen guns stands at such and such a figure, when in fact if you break down what is already a small percentage of all legitimate firearms owned, the real figure consists of many items which can't even be used as firearms such as moderators etc, for example. Included in that figure are some handguns which can't be owned by anyone other than a criminal because they were banned some years ago, so why they are included in a list of what is claimed to be legitimately owned firearms I have no idea. a? Perhaps this would be useful PR piece of work for BASC to bottom out. particularly to weed out the figures relating to the MOD and police so we have a true picture of the figures for guns in private ownership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Interestingly today's BBC radio reports are full of a trial where the defendant arranged to buy a handgun and silencer. Wonder if this is the catalyst for these new initiatives "The Metropolitan Police said the men are accused of taking an oath of allegiance to the Islamic State (IS) militant group and arranging to buy a handgun equipped with a silencer and conducting "hostile reconnaissance" of a police station and Army barracks in London using Google Street View." Edited October 17, 2014 by HDAV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 But they don't fund ACPO or the Home Office who are responsible for the policy we are discussing. I suspect the sculpture reflects their laudible but unrealistic intent to prevent war and illegal arms trafficking. It does not mean that when the FEO interrupts my tea to look in my cabinet, that it's at the UNs bidding!! NO but I am sure that each and every country's law enforcement and police force have joint co-operatives on crime, arms trafficking etc. I guess you must have heard of Interpol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 You do know that's ALL gun deaths right? as in felons shot by police who make up a large proportion ... Well that Is so much better.hopefully it will be like that here soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) NO but I am sure that each and every country's law enforcement and police force have joint co-operatives on crime, arms trafficking etc. I guess you must have heard of Interpol. Yes I have. Sorry, but I just don't see the link between Interpol or any other country's police force and an ACPO/HO initiative to do spot checks on UK license holders. Bad idea? Yes IMO. Influenced by the UN or Interpol? I really don't think so. Edited October 17, 2014 by Blunderbuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Day 3 of the new initiative. How many of these checks have been reported so far.I have heard of none The public still seem to be calm.only hysteria I can see is on here.I blame global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Day 3 of the new initiative. How many of these checks have been reported so far.I have heard of none The public still seem to be calm.only hysteria I can see is on here.I blame global warming. "...........when all about you.........." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 The video posted by Phaedra shows that those firearms owners who are concerned to be linked to terrorism are many and feel intensely enough to video a response. I am one of them. I have tried to put my point of view with stupid comments like those above, supported by others, (including a mod). This site has been enjoyable but there are too many self-opinionated, rude and ignorant people allowed to run others ragged with juvenile criticisms (see above). I'm taking a break from the site - see you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 The video posted by Phaedra shows that those firearms owners who are concerned to be linked to terrorism are many and feel intensely enough to video a response. I am one of them. I have tried to put my point of view with stupid comments like those above, supported by others, (including a mod). This site has been enjoyable but there are too many self-opinionated, rude and ignorant people allowed to run others ragged with juvenile criticisms (see above). I'm taking a break from the site - see you. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 No need to fall out over all this, it is just people voicing their differing opinions. That's probably as good a point as any to put this one to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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