Steppenwolf Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Russians can carry guns for self-defence http://rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/ This is very big. A former comunist country eases gun controls and says that people can apply for he US equivalent of a conceal carry license. This is welcome news. I wonder when we will get similar laws in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 You must be having a laugh with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Never, according to government officials responsible. There was something like this in last letter from them.: "we, in the UK, got one of the toughest gun laws in the world and we will keep it that way. Owning guns is a privilege, not a right" (or something similar) . So, what do you think? Edited November 19, 2014 by londonercsecse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well it just gos to show how far Russia has progressed and how far we have regressed in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 You have more chance throwing a snow ball at the sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 no way will it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Whilst I would welcome a return to handguns I can't see any reason anyone in this country could justify a concealed carry scheme - if you're not punching targets there'd be no real need to be carrying your handgun surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 This is welcome news. I wonder when we will get similar laws in the UK? When Nelson gets his eye back, I expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well it just gos to show how far Russia has progressed and how far we have regressed in my opinion. If this country ever gets to the stage where we need to carry concealed weapons for self defence that will be the day we need to ban guns altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogcal Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 In certain parts of Nottingham owning a gun appears to be a right rather than a privilege! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Whilst I would welcome a return to handguns I can't see any reason anyone in this country could justify a concealed carry scheme - if you're not punching targets there'd be no real need to be carrying your handgun surely? +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 If this country ever gets to the stage where we need to carry concealed weapons for self defence that will be the day we need to ban guns altogether. I think we're at that stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Why do you think that? Crime stats generally, and violent crime specifically, including "gun crime" are down year on year and have been for ages. I was a keen target pistol shooter and was gutted when we lost them. I'd love to see them allowed again for target but I doubt I ever will. There's absolutey zero chance of "concealed carry" for members of the public ever being allowed, thankfully. Edited November 20, 2014 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 The reason Russia has done this is simply because no one took a blind bit of notice of the 'ban'!! Seems even the mighty Russian government rules by consent.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 The reason Russia has done this is simply because no one took a blind bit of notice of the 'ban'!! Seems even the mighty Russian government rules by consent.... That is actually a misnomer, all of the dead ones did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab1964 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 If this country ever gets to the stage where we need to carry concealed weapons for self defence that will be the day we need to ban guns altogether. Yep!! So only the lawless bad guys have guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Yep!! So only the lawless bad guys have guns. they already have them and most likely will long after we are stopped from owning.if you feel that it is a good thing to have gunfights on the streets why not try for residency of the good ol usa.or even Russia as they seem to have gun laws more to some peoples liking.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) doubt I ever will. There's absolutey zero chance of "concealed carry" for members of the public ever being allowed, thankfully. What if the are being targeted by terrorists. ? If this country ever gets to the stage where we need to carry concealed weapons for self defence that will be the day we need to ban guns altogether. People don't NEED to carry firearms in America for example, but they do have the choice to do so if they want. It won't happen in the UK the government would rather you died than shot and killed someone in self defence. Edited November 20, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorvale55 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 TO THE MODERATORS, can we have a "LIKE" or "DISLIKE" button on this forum please? It would come in handy instead of scrolling through dozens of posts and adding a comment that was mentioned a few days or weeks ago. I have desisted from commenting due to a lack of linear continuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) TO THE MODERATORS, can we have a "LIKE" or "DISLIKE" button on this forum please? It would come in handy instead of scrolling through dozens of posts and adding a comment that was mentioned a few days or weeks ago. I have desisted from commenting due to a lack of linear continuity. I like that, is it a new term for ‘Brain Fade’? Edited November 22, 2014 by STOTTO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab1964 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) they already have them and most likely will long after we are stopped from owning.if you feel that it is a good thing to have gunfights on the streets why not try for residency of the good ol usa.or even Russia as they seem to have gun laws more to some peoples liking.atb Typical emotional straw-man argument. Because "some peoples liking" is for more liberal gun laws, that somehow equates to thinking gunfights on the streets is a good idea. That's like saying because I drink a pint or two then drink driving is a good idea too. Yes, in the good ol' USA there are problems with the wrong people having firearms and using them unjustifiably. We see those stories in the headlines all the time. What's not in the headlines are the many, many, incidents where firearms (in the ordinary public's hands) have been used wisely and protected life, limb and property. The police cannot be everywhere at once. Those stories are NEVER widely reported here - or in the US for that matter. See below for some examples. Gun fights notwithstanding - More good comes from wide firearm ownership than bad. In reality - Guns are a fact of life and they are not going away. Illegally or legally. I guess we can agree to disagree. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- November 19, 2014 Pawn store customer fells armed robber, WISH, Indianapolis, Ind. 11/18/14A man entered Cash America Pawn in Indianapolis, Ind. pulled a hood over his head, drew a gun, and attempted to rob the store. A customer responded by drawing a gun and shooting the criminal, killing him. Following an investigation, police revealed that the deceased robber was a suspect in other robberies. FULL STORY November 14, 2014 Marine stops home invader, KPRC, Houston, Texas, 11/10/14Dan Reynolds, a former Marine, was at home in Harris County, Texas when he heard the sound of glass breaking. Reynolds responded by retrieving a shotgun and going towards the noise. When Reynolds came upon a man climbing through a window, he fired at him, striking the criminal in the chest and halting the intrusion. FULL STORY November 4, 2014 Restaurant owner fights off pair of robbers, KTVI, St. Louis, Mo. 11/02/14A pair of armed men entered Elicia’s Pizza in St. Louis, Mo. and attempted to rob the restaurant. The owner, a Right-to-Carry permit holder, retrieved a firearm and fired at the criminals, striking one, and prompting them both to flee. The wounded robber did not make it far, and was captured by police a short time later. FULL STORY October 29, 2014 Intruder twice thwarted by armed citizens, WFIE, Evansville, Ind. 10/24/14Brian Hiner was at home in Butler County, Ohio when his dog alerted him to an intruder. Hiner retrieved a gun, went to investigate, and apprehended the home invader. When police arrived, they detained the intruder in a cruiser. However, the criminal managed to escape the vehicle, ran into a cornfield, and eventually invaded another house. 15-year-old Justin Kugler was at home at the time, and responded to the intrusion by retrieving a gun. When Kugler encountered the home invader he told him, “get out of the house or I'm going to shoot you.” Police recaptured the intruder outside the Kugler residence. When interviewed by a local media outlet, Kugler stated, “I feel pretty good about it that I could have saved other people's houses and their property.” FULL STORY October 22, 2014 Clerk defends himself from armed robbers, KBOB, Albuquerque, N.M. 10/21/14A pair of armed robbers entered the Pajarito Corner Store in Albuquerque, N.M., and demanded cash. As the pair were leaving, the clerk went to lock the store’s door, at which point one of the criminals leveled a gun at him. The clerk responded by firing at the robbers, striking one and causing both to flee. The thieves fled in a vehicle, but were involved in an accident. Police caught up with the criminals, finding one dead and arranging for the other to be taken to a hospital. The surviving robber will be charged with murder in the death of his accomplice. FULL STORY October 6, 2014 Pharmacy employee fights off armed robber, Ozarks First, Springfield, Mo. 09/30/14An armed man entered Family Pharmacy in Taney County, Mo. and ordered an employee to give him pills. One of the store’s employees responded by retrieving a gun and firing at the robber, striking him and causing him to flee. The criminal was captured by police a short time later. Following the incident Taney County Sheriff Jimmie Russell told a media outlet, “As long as you've got store owners or store employees who are well trained and proficient with fire arms, more power to them.” FULL STORY October 3, 2014 Daughter saves mother from violent ex-boyfriend, The Oklahoman, Oklahoma City, Okla. 09/24/14A man, who had a protective order filed against him a week earlier, broke into his ex-girlfriend’s home in Oklahoma City, Okla. Once inside, the man attacked his ex-girlfriend, stabbing her. The woman’s 11-year-old daughter responded to the attack by retrieving a pistol and shooting the attacker twice, ending the assault and prompting the criminal to flee. A neighbor told reporters that the wounded woman “just showed the girl how to use the gun last week so she could protect herself.” FULL STORY September 30, 2014 Armed mother defends home from intruder, WKMG, Orlando, Fla. 09/26/14Lizette Rosario was inside her home in Orange County, Fla. when her son alerted her to an attempted break-in. Rosario retrieved a 9mm pistol and went to confront the intruder, who fled behind a shed in the yard. With the help of her son, Rosario was able to hold the man until police could arrive. FULL STORY September 25, 2014 Clerk fends off trio of armed robbers, WKYC, Cleveland, Ohio 09/23/14A trio of masked and armed robbers entered a Marathon gas station in Canton, Ohio and fired at the clerk on duty. The clerk was struck in the legs, but managed to retrieve a gun and return fire, striking two of the criminals and prompting them all to flee. Police later found the two wounded thieves, who died a short time later. FULL STORY September 23, 2014 Store manager uses gun to defend employees, KPRC, Houston, Texas, 09/20/14A man armed with a gun entered Burt’s Meat Market in Houston, Texas and demanded money from the teenage clerk on duty. When the clerk didn’t produce the money fast enough, the criminal fired a shot. Store manager J.L. Nickel, who was in a nearby office, became aware of the robbery, retrieved a gun and fired at the robber. One of Nickel’s shots struck the thief, prompting him to flee. FULL STORY September 19, 2014 Intruder on federal probation stopped by resident, KTLA, Los Angeles, Calif. 09/16/14, Post-Periodical, San Fernando, Calif. 09/16/14A man on federal probation entered a home in Van Nuys, Calif. and attacked the homeowner. The homeowner retrieved a handgun and shot the criminal, halting the altercation. Following a hospitalization to treat the gunshot wound, the intruder was charged with assault with a deadly weapon. FULL STORY September 11, 2014 Homeowner scares off burglars, The Press-Enterprise, Riverside County, Calif. 09/08/14A man was at home in Rancho Cucamonga, Calif. when a group of burglars knocked at the door. When the homeowner didn’t respond, the thieves attempted to break-in through a window. The homeowner responded by firing at one of the criminals, missing, but prompting the burglars to flee. FULL STORY September 9, 2014 Homeowner holds intruder at gunpoint until police arrive, The Tampa Bay Times, Tampa Bay, Fla. 09/03/14Around 4:30 a.m., Joseph Cihak, a homeowner in St. Petersburg, Fla., awakened and went to use the bathroom. While heading to the bathroom, Cihak came upon an intruder armed with a knife. Cihak was armed with a gun at the time and fired at the criminal twice before his gun malfunctioned. Cihak retrieved another gun and captured the unharmed home invader. As Cihak was holding the intruder for police, the criminal attempted to bargain with him. The burglar offered to mow Cihak’s lawn if he was allowed to go free. The ploy didn’t work and now the criminal is facing a charge of armed burglary. FULL STORY September 5, 2014 Woman holds home invader for police, The Omaha World-Herald, Omaha, Neb. 09/02/14Barbara Haley was at home in Omaha, Neb. when she was awakened by her dog barking. Suspicious, Haley retrieved a .45-caliber pistol and went to investigate. Initially, Haley didn’t find anyone in the home and went back to bed. However, another noise roused Haley again, at which point she discovered an intruder in a bedroom closet. Haley ordered the man to stay still and held him at gunpoint in the closet until police arrived. Following the incident, Haley told a local media outlet, “I’m glad I had that gun… And I’m thinking they (burglars) won’t try this again anytime soon.” FULL STORY August 29, 2014 Clerk chases off armed robber, WJCL, Savannah, Ga. 08/25/14Clerk Rick Patel was working at a Shell Food Mart in Claxton, Ga. when a hooded man approached the counter and attempted to rob the store at gunpoint. Patel responded by retrieving a pistol, which then he used to chase the criminal out of the store. Police suspect the hooded man has committed several other armed robberies. Following the incident, Patel told Savannah’s WJCL, “I don’t like to shoot nobody but when it comes to my life I would. And thank God I didn’t get hurt, I didn’t kill him, otherwise I would have regretted but hey, you made the choice, regrets happen.” In recent years, some convenience store clerks have faced discipline following an act of armed self-defense. In a welcome departure from these instances, the owner of Patel’s store told the TV station, “I’m really proud. Whatever he did I’d like if everybody started doing it that way, robbery will be stopped, especially for convenience stores.” FULL STORY August 27, 2014 World War II veteran stops armed robber, The Palm Beach Post, Palm Beach, Fla. 08/25/1489-Year-old Arthur Lewis was working at his store, the Jewelry Exchange, in Palm Beach County, Fla. when a man entered the shop and pretended to need his watch fixed. The man then drew a gun and attempted to rob Lewis. Lewis responded to the threat by grasping the criminal’s firearm and drawing a pistol. After a physical altercation, Lewis shot the robber, which prompted the thief to flee. Police caught up with the robber when his getaway driver sought police assistance for the wounded criminal. The armed robber targeted the wrong person. Lewis is a veteran of World War II, and previously defended himself against an attempted armed robbery in 2010. FULL STORY Edited November 22, 2014 by ab1964 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Good post Ab1964. Unfortunately people like bostonmick just "don't get it" when it comes to this subject. They will always make a strawman argument or pull out a red herring to say why something shouldn't be implemented without actually thinking for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Good post Ab1964. Unfortunately people like bostonmick just "don't get it" when it comes to this subject. They will always make a strawman argument or pull out a red herring to say why something shouldn't be implemented without actually thinking for themselves. And you think a society where we can trust a 11 year old child to make the correct decision on when to use a firearm to protect themselves or family etc would be a better one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab1964 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 And you think a society where we can trust a 11 year old child to make the correct decision on when to use a firearm to protect themselves or family etc would be a better one YES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 And you think a society where we can trust a 11 year old child to make the correct decision on when to use a firearm to protect themselves or family etc would be a better one Oklahoma Girl Shoots Home Intruder: 12-Year-Old Uses Family's Gun To Protect Self, Homehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/20/oklahoma-girl-shoots-home-intruder_n_1992381.html Hey maybe in your world, kids like this should be killed and raped, but thankfully she does not live in the UK and managed to protect herself. Says a lot about you though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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