Rochester and Strood by election

[timmytree]

I always thought that Maggie Thatcher had a slate loose, but she was a stronger leader than any of the present lightweights.

 

I can't imagine that she would have said that nothing could be done.

Not many liked her but she had guts and said what she thought, did what she thought right and put a bit of pride back in Britain for a while.

Contrast that with anything we've had since, a series of forgettable grey characters who just faded away. All apart from that crook Blair who will forever be remembered with hate by most of us.

[matone]

it was also said they would never have a single MP !

 

I voted labour time after time till the last election when after being sickened by the to me (and yes I am allowed an opinion) deliberate tactic of destroying my heritage and trying to make me feel guilty of actually having the temerity to be born English I said enough is enough, and I voted con and yes conned I was, by the "we are all in it together" lying scumbags, so I am now trying something different and believe me so will an awful lot more disillusioned ex labour supporters who last time could not bring them selves to vote for tory boy and his mates but they WILL vote UKIP they may not win them all but they will win some and they will hopefully bring down this PC diverse garbage we are now force fed at every and any opportunity

 

The Labour strongholds (I live in one) are going to disappear, it may not be next year but it will happen, and then you never know we may be out of Europe and have gates that actually close.

 

KW

Excellent post echoing the feelings of many !

[Scully]

it was also said they would never have a single MP !

 

I voted labour time after time till the last election when after being sickened by the to me (and yes I am allowed an opinion) deliberate tactic of destroying my heritage and trying to make me feel guilty of actually having the temerity to be born English I said enough is enough, and I voted con and yes conned I was, by the "we are all in it together" lying scumbags, so I am now trying something different and believe me so will an awful lot more disillusioned ex labour supporters who last time could not bring them selves to vote for tory boy and his mates but they WILL vote UKIP they may not win them all but they will win some and they will hopefully bring down this PC diverse garbage we are now force fed at every and any opportunity

 

The Labour strongholds (I live in one) are going to disappear, it may not be next year but it will happen, and then you never know we may be out of Europe and have gates that actually close.

 

KW

Good post.

[AVB]

What we we could end up with is no two parties being able to form a coalition but instead a coalition of many. Perhaps LIbour/SNP/Greens/Lib Dems (if any left)/the Welsh lot/and some of the Northern Irish lot. Basically everybody apart from the Tories, UKIP and the other half of the Northern Irish lot. Where will that get us. Like Italy I am afraid. No decisions being made and elections every two years when one of the groups falls out with the other. It certainly won't get us out of Europe.

[Lampwick]

A 52% turnout is rather good!

 

It's rather refreshing to see the worm turning. Well isn't it interesting that we are now talking about UKIP having an impact! Not long ago the big three (2.5) dismissed them. Well actually they were dismissing the British public and our discontent with their selfish policies, career politics, old boys club and lies!

 

I still don't believe Camoron would hold a referendum which could see us leaving the EU!

 

Don't forget there are plenty of local elections next year, we could have a shift change in service delivery too! Come on UKIP!

[Psyxologos]

I think he might say raving looney hahahah

 

That!

Edited November 21, 2014 by Psyxologos

[kdubya]

Just watched sky news and an article about the present voting make up of stockton on tees (watch benefits Britain next week if you dont know Stockton) and its seems judging from what the workers in a machine shop were saying , that the trust in all the established parties has gone,and to them UKIP offers change, and it seems that the traditional Labour supporter rather than conservative supporter is the one changing over to UKIP, happy days

 

 

KW

Edited November 22, 2014 by kdubya

[grrclark]

That is an interesting insight KW, I think that there is a huge loss of trust in the established parties, or Westminster, in general. No doubt the expenses scandal, self serving MP's awarding themselves significant pay rises and the backdrop of the economic crisis of the last 5-6 years has created a perfect environment for that to happen.

 

I suspect that there is a huge amount of apathy around the economy just now too, we have been saturated with news to the point that we are probably all numb to it and switch off.

 

The kippers making very loud noises about a very real and 'right now' public concern that spans all the social classes, immigration, and the more publicly accessible image of Nigel compared to the other 3 UK party leaders is obviously a winning combination.

 

The challenge that I still see is that the kippers base ideology is still more right wing, it promotes a smaller state and greater individual responsibility which is the opposite of the traditional Labour values that were so highly prized and favoured by the traditional blue collar workers or the welfare class.

 

Somewhere along the line some supporters of UKIP are going to feel very let down as this party of change that they are backing are going to turn out to be something very different from what they hoped they would be.

 

It is almost that the kippers have been hijacked by everyone with a cause who doesn't like westminster now and want change, but at some point the kippers are going to have to make very clear what it is they are going to do and it has to be more than get us out of the EU and get immigration control measures in place. At that point we will see the true measure of the support they have.

 

None the less we are seeing a real shakeup of British politics and that is good for everyone.

[Sprackles]

Be interesting here in Grimsby.

We are about to get slated by Skint on channel 4...featuring the towns decline since our industry was destroyed....which coincidentally started just as we joined the then Common Market and Traitor Heath signed over our waters.

You could not get a more typical bunch of hard core Labour voters.

However, since many also blame the EU for our decline, UKIP are coming in strong here and come election day it will be interesting to say the least.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Sprackles

[kdubya]

Be interesting here in Grimsby.

We are about to get slated by Skint on channel 4...featuring the towns decline since our industry was destroyed....which coincidentally started just as we joined the then Common Market and Traitor Heath signed over our waters.

You could not get a more typical bunch of hard core Labour voters.

However, since many also blame the EU for our decline, UKIP are coming in strong here and come election day it will be interesting to say the least.

Grimsby is in the top six most likely to fall into UKIP hands and yes I remember many years ago driving down the fish quay at Grimsby a sight I will always remember.

 

KW

[timmytree]

The last 3 posts have covered exactly why UKIP appeals to so many people.

The loss of trust in the main parties, the seeming lack of concern for ordinary people and the high handed arrogant attitude from Westminster has alienated just about everyone. That's bad enough but UKIP is the only party that has guts enough to mention immigration, something which ordinary people in the market towns, cities and villages across the country have been worried about for years. The other parties have made noises about limits but the reality is they do nothing, the EU seems to control the Westminster puppets.

I firmly believe that lack of control has led to an increase in racial tension in this country, even some immigrants are saying "enough is enough."

Farage seems to have the common touch, he comes across as a bloke we may be able to trust, the sort of bloke you could laugh with in your local pub, contrast that with Cameron and Milliband who would be more likely to get a smack in the mouth on the way to the crapper.

The main parties are reaping the rewards of treating the electorate like idiots for too long.

[TriBsa]

Farage seems to have the common touch, he comes across as a bloke we may be able to trust, the sort of bloke you could laugh with in your local pub, contrast that with Cameron and Milliband who would be more likely to get a smack in the mouth on the way to the crapper.

The main parties are reaping the rewards of treating the electorate like idiots for too long.

 

There's the same recurring theme when Farage is mentioned in conversations with people I meet and know. They say "the thing I like about him, is that if he's asked a question he gives an answer" They mean he doesn't waffle about, talk about something else or generally give the usual politicians gobbledegook response. He comes across as straightforward and in tune with normal people.

[fern01]

What the labour elite fail to realise is that this mass uncontrolled immigration has the most impact on the lower paid people in work.

 

Their sons and daughters can't get rent decent accommodation and the A & E and doctors surgeries are full of them.

[timmytree]

What the labour elite fail to realise is that this mass uncontrolled immigration has the most impact on the lower paid people in work.

 

Their sons and daughters can't get rent decent accommodation and the A & E and doctors surgeries are full of them.

They know it, so do the Conservatives, why don't they act? Because keeping the country full of low paid workers is good for business. It's not just the lower paid that are affected though, look at some of the towns with big immigrant populations, schools and hospitals have to cope with multiple languages, being so bloody soft we supply interpreters instead of making them learn the language before they come here to work. I've worked with a number of East Europeans and Asian people who come here and integrate, work, speak good English and fit in well.

I've also seen those who expect to have everything handed to them on a plate, as though WE owe them a living! I've met people who despite living here for 30+ years can hardly speak a word of English because they are so insular and refuse to try and fit in with the British way of life.

Living in Somerset I'm away from the worst problems caused by uncontrolled immigration but I've worked in some of the areas most affected and I'm bloody glad my children don't have to grow up with those problems.

Maybe UKIP won't form a Government but hold enough seats to put pressure on whoever does, maybe the established parties will actually start to take notice and do something before the people of this country really go radical but I won't hold my breath on that. I think that if we get another Labour or Conservative Government we will have another period of excuses and inactivity that will result in even more racial problems, riots and violence as we've seen before. The worse it gets, the more likely we will see a serious civil backlash against both Government and immigrants, and as usual it will be the innocent and good that suffer the most.

[Gordon R]

+1

[keg]

_{At the moment, the seats gained are all from exTory ministers that clearly have a strong personal base in their constituencies.}

 

_{I'd be interested to see what happens in the general election.}

 

_{Saying that, i think it's good that the major parties are getting a big shake up.}

[kdubya]

_{At the moment, the seats gained are all from exTory ministers that clearly have a strong personal base in their constituencies.}

 

_{I'd be interested to see what happens in the general election.}

 

_{Saying that, i think it's good that the major parties are getting a big shake up.}

 

 

They are getting more than a shake up they are getting a full on kick in the nads

 

KW

[Psyxologos]

What the labour elite fail to realise is that this mass uncontrolled immigration has the most impact on the lower paid people in work.

 

Their sons and daughters can't get rent decent accommodation and the A & E and doctors surgeries are full of them.

 

Yes. They are the doctors and nurses treating the alcohol and drug depended chavs, British born and bred...

Edited November 22, 2014 by Psyxologos

[keg]

What the labour elite fail to realise is that this mass uncontrolled immigration has the most impact on the lower paid people in work.

 

Their sons and daughters can't get rent decent accommodation and the A & E and doctors surgeries are full of them.

Surely if the lower paid jobs were done by resident brits, immigration would not have the same effect?

 

I go back to my point a while back. Blame new communism, it was an experiment by them.

[grrclark]

Surely if the lower paid jobs were done by resident brits, immigration would not have the same effect?

 

I go back to my point a while back. Blame new communism, it was an experiment by them.

 

I must resist, I must resist, I must resist.........

[overandunder2012]

 

Yes. They are the doctors and nurses treating the alcohol and drug depended chavs, British born and bred...

this is also true without immigration the nhs will be ******, we dont train people to do these kind of jobs we teach them useless things like IT

 

the kippers are having their moment fair play but i think come the general the results wont be what they hope for its one thing voting for your local mp or a euro mp another voting for a government and i doubt most of the general public see ukip as the answer even if ukip try to tell us most of the british people support them in reality i doubt thats really the case when it comes to choosing who runs the country.

 

im betting the torys take back rochester in the general and reckless has a very short career as a ukip mp

Edited November 23, 2014 by overandunder2012

[The Croc]

The SNP don't think the next GE is clear cut, they've made a list of demands for supporting liebour in a hung parliament

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1378471/sturgeon-lists-demands-for-westminster-support

 

All to play for so it seems, going to be very interesting, I reckon there will be a very good turnout on polling day.

Whatever you think of UKIP, they are certainly getting people interested in politics/voting/discussion/ which can only be a good thing, and making the main parties think about what the people want, not what they want

[poontang]

this is also true without immigration the nhs will be ******, we dont train people to do these kind of jobs we teach them useless things like IT

 

 

No it won't.

On a points based system, if there is a need for qualified doctors and nurses then there would be no problem in recruiting from abroad.

 

As to your second point we DO train nurses in this country. In this part of the country I know for a fact that the nursing course is always full, with only one in seven applicants successful.

[kdubya]

this is also true without immigration the nhs will be ******, we dont train people to do these kind of jobs we teach them useless things like IT

 

the kippers are having their moment fair play but i think come the general the results wont be what they hope for its one thing voting for your local mp or a euro mp another voting for a government and i doubt most of the general public see ukip as the answer even if ukip try to tell us most of the british people support them in reality i doubt thats really the case when it comes to choosing who runs the country.

 

im betting the torys take back rochester in the general and reckless has a very short career as a ukip mp

wrong as usual! we do train them but they clear off for more lucrative earnings in the USA, Canada Australia etc, oh and after listening to your hero Clarke rattling on about how unfair and discriminatory it is to take tax credits off immigrants and his stance that legal immigration is not an issue, all I can say to your prediction of a regain of Rochester is that its as far fetched as walking to the moon.

 

and look at this gem from that bigoted idiot abbot she says ED was wrong to sack Emily Thornbury and put this on **** face, well done miz abbot you are as good as it gets for helping UKIP recruit, you biased out of touch cretin.

"If only UK politicians had the courage to be as positive about immigration as Obama "We welcome them as fellow children of God"

 

KW

Edited November 23, 2014 by kdubya

[TIGHTCHOKE]

They know it, so do the Conservatives, why don't they act? Because keeping the country full of low paid workers is good for business. It's not just the lower paid that are affected though, look at some of the towns with big immigrant populations, schools and hospitals have to cope with multiple languages, being so bloody soft we supply interpreters instead of making them learn the language before they come here to work. I've worked with a number of East Europeans and Asian people who come here and integrate, work, speak good English and fit in well.

I've also seen those who expect to have everything handed to them on a plate, as though WE owe them a living! I've met people who despite living here for 30+ years can hardly speak a word of English because they are so insular and refuse to try and fit in with the British way of life.

Living in Somerset I'm away from the worst problems caused by uncontrolled immigration but I've worked in some of the areas most affected and I'm bloody glad my children don't have to grow up with those problems.

Maybe UKIP won't form a Government but hold enough seats to put pressure on whoever does, maybe the established parties will actually start to take notice and do something before the people of this country really go radical but I won't hold my breath on that. I think that if we get another Labour or Conservative Government we will have another period of excuses and inactivity that will result in even more racial problems, riots and violence as we've seen before. The worse it gets, the more likely we will see a serious civil backlash against both Government and immigrants, and as usual it will be the innocent and good that suffer the most.

 

You should put that in a letter and send it to all the party leaders!