kyska Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 A peculiar programme. Looking at the ways we can council child sex offenders rather than punish them. What is odd, is a German advert encouraging child sexual offenders to seek help under the guise that that you 'don't choose your sexual preferences', so get help. They have a guy Eddie, a real life, self proclaimed paedophile, he's on a 'treatment' plan in Europe apparently that we don't offer in the uk. I will quite freely offer them my paedophile treatment plan for no charge. It's so out there, these nebulous thoughts of helping these offenders with so much compassion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 It is utterly bewildering at face value, but I guess they may look at it to say that if that approach effectively reduces child abuse then it is a legitimate tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) I am very supportive of therapy for them ....... Electric shock therapy is well worth a go, maybe they could be offered a treatment chair which is nice and comfy to make them feel secure. I'd offer to assist the therapy with a sponge and water. That over, is driving them underground a better option? Edited November 25, 2014 by malkiserow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 It's a blunt tool, making our child protection and offender regimes placid. These brutes are self acclaimed, not one of them come forward for treatment, alas it's only when they get caught. Reminds me of Kants thought experiment of the servant letting the man with knife in the house to kill the head of the house by being honest, absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 It's a blunt tool, making our child protection and offender regimes placid. These brutes are self acclaimed, not one of them come forward for treatment, alas it's only when they get caught. Reminds me of Kants thought experiment of the servant letting the man with knife in the house to kill the head of the house by being honest, absurd. In which case there is no demonstrable evidence that it is effective and a more permanent means of treatment should be applied. I think that people behind these schemes do things with the best of intent, however I agree that some of these approaches defy belief and any sense of logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRRushton Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Perfect treatment for pedos, is a rope around there neck or be at least de-nutted... Aha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think it can be treated, probably one of the few crimes I would support the death penalty for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I have always thought that people do not choose what there sexual orientation is we live in a strange world where it is ok for an 85 year old man to have sex with a 18 year old girl yet it is a crime for a 16 year old boy to have sex with a 15 year old girl. If one is to believe the statistics as they said 1 in four girls will have been affected and I think it was 1 in ten boys for people just to say lock them all up is missing the hole point if they was to do that all of the jails would be full these people need to be helped to overcome there problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Perfect treatment for pedos, is a rope around there neck or be at least de-nutted... Aha And that is going to help is it look at the US they exacute loads of people for murder dose it stop people killing others no all you end up doing is driving these people underground and making it even harder to find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRRushton Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Remove there sexual organs problem solved'' but sick people like this need to be erased in respect,. The money funned to imprison these people could be used to feed homeless ect,. But it just the world we live in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 no place on this planet for them really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Make them to scared to seek help for the thoughts they have until one day they act on them,or encourage them to seek help in whatever form,be it counselling,drugs or anything else proven to work,and keep an eye on them hopefully preventing them acting out their sick desires. A no brainier really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Why do the authorities always seem to think that criminals need therapy? Can't they grasp the simple fact that a lot of them just enjoy doing what they do? They don't need therapy .... they need locking up somewhere so they can't do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) The odd thing is that there is truth in the original statement 'You can't choose your sexual orientation'. If this were not true then we would still be trying to 'cure' homosexuals and lesbians. From what I have seen, these people genuinely do not see anything wrong with what they do, it is just how they are wired. In fact, the head of my department at Uni was done for it a few years after I left, couldn't believe it. He always seemed like a regular guy and I had even gone on ride outs on the motorbikes with him. http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2014/07/27/christopher-bishop-heswall/ What is the answer? Have to say I don't know, I would lean towards castration but I'm sure the PW pitchfork brigades answers are better. Just a thought, what would your views be if it was your father/mother/son/daughter caught with these kinds of images? Edited November 25, 2014 by 955i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Agree with you 955i, i think it is the way they are born. Even castration won't help according to a GP friend, unless you take the brain at the same time. It's not between the legs but between the ears. He is very balanced in his views but even he thinks that they cannot be rehabilitated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 .But surely Gays are consenting adults 955i?-children are not able to give consent. To my mind they should be put on the general license Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Our entire legal system is based on the innocent victim and guilty perpetrator premise, if you prove yourself to be an innocent victim you get help and let off whereas the perpetrator gets punished. The question behind all this is if we agree with the guys perspective that he is an innocent victim within society seeking help for his problems or if we see him as a sexual predator trying desperatly to justify his socially unacceptable urges by shouting that it's not his fault and he simply can't help himself. I'm confident we have all felt anger and rage at some point in our lives for whatever reason and harboured feelings of ill will towards other individuals the difference being that we all dealt with those feelings responsibly within the boundaries of society and didnt act on them (I'm guessing that as we all have certificates for guns) whereas this guy is trying to shift the responsibility for his feelings onto society and say that it's not his fault and beyond his control. My view is that if somebody is struggling and asks for a little help then we should try our best to accommodate them but trying to infer that peadophiles have no control over their actions doesn't wash with me one little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 This is the problem with the human race - we let everyone live iro their make up whereas in the animal world any which are deformed in any way do not survive so we have some sort of duty to support/treat them if we can identify them but. Therein lies the problem - humans are very very clever. Look at the Asian taxi drivers who target white girls - how do you fix that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Agree with you 955i, i think it is the way they are born. Even castration won't help according to a GP friend, unless you take the brain at the same time. It's not between the legs but between the ears. He is very balanced in his views but even he thinks that they cannot be rehabilitated. Do we have counselling or treatment for rats or mink or any other type of vermin that is known to man? No, we set traps for them to fall into and then we neutralise them as humanely as possible so that they are no longer a threat to those that they prey upon! That is the only effective solution if you wish to control if not eradicate the problem and afford some protection to their potential victims. Edited November 26, 2014 by STOTTO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I would not disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyChris Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I thought it was a very interesting programme. You have to remember the difference between a peadopfile and someone who goes on to act and becomes a sex offender. Eddie didn't want to be the way he was and clearly we haven't invested much in the way of treatment. Rather than just locking people up and releasing them again with no treatment I agree we should be looking at ways to treat them. It would seem to be a fault with how their brains are wired but why can't we look at fixing this. It sounds like prevention would save more children than letting them live in the shadows until they offend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Whilst I agree that people have no choice in how their brains are wired, we have tried for a number of years with physical, drugs and psychological methods to solve this issue and there are a number of shades of grey amongst paedophiles. Many will just look and not touch, some may download and distribute. Others will go the whole hog. what I do think is that we need to remove the risk to children. it really is not worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 that data base makes interesting reading you can see all the pervs in your area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyChris Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 To say we have tried for years with treatment and drugs isn't correct. We've tried for a couple of decades and only with convicted offenders. Don't get me wrong, I'd happily support the death penalty for those convicted but we need to spend more money and time on treatment for those that want to change how they are and protect as many children as we can. Since we don't live in a minority report world if we don't know who these people are how can we protect our children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1984 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Do we have counselling or treatment for rats or mink or any other type of vermin that is known to man? No, we set traps for them to fall into and then we neutralise them as humanely as possible so that they are no longer a threat to those that they prey upon! That is the only effective solution if you wish to control if not eradicate the problem and afford some protection to their potential victims. Simply put, i have to agree ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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