b325 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 You know your close to your bag when you get put on a drive like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man o kent Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Superb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 That's what I'd call " proper " high pheasants, they'll either enthrall or demoralise you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Interesting. I've often wondered if it's ever frowned upon to shoot at really high pheasants like it is to shoot at really high wildfowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Interesting. I've often wondered if it's ever frowned upon to shoot at really high pheasants like it is to shoot at really high wildfowl. I posed the same question a few weeks back when someone posted about a high pheasant day , the shot count was something like 897 to 1 I pretty much got shot down in flames for suggesting it is not sporting trying to shoot them that high . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG 5 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'd only have to shoot one and I'd be jumping for joy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'd only have to shoot one and I'd be jumping for joy..... Therein might be the problem. Some of those birds will have been 100m above the guns and therefore not shootable. The lower ones in the video were within range I would venture to suggest but only for exceptional guns with the right gun/choke/cartridge combination. I would have liked to have seen them. I doubt that I would have shot any. Last season I saw some 100m pheasants and 80m partridges on a drive from similar terrain. None were shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 If you shot at geese on the foreshore at that hight you would rightly be called unsporting clowns .the kill to cartridge ratio from what we could see on the clip was absurd, game shooters call it sporting !! I posed the same question a few weeks back when someone posted about a high pheasant day , the shot count was something like 897 to 1 I pretty much got shot down in flames for suggesting it is not sporting trying to shoot them that high . 897 to 1 speaks for itself ,different ethics sadly call it sport if you wish there is no way you can defend it the wounded ones will glide miles back .very sad.I await being shot down in flames also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 If you shot at geese on the foreshore at that hight you would rightly be called unsporting clowns .the kill to cartridge ratio from what we could see on the clip was absurd, game shooters call it sporting !! 897 to 1 speaks for itself ,different ethics sadly call it sport if you wish there is no way you can defend it the wounded ones will glide miles back .very sad.I await being shot down in flames also. +1, no one should be shooting at birds that are out of range,or beyond their shooting capabilities. Even on some shoots where they get birds in the 40-60yrd range, which are well kill able with right tools, a lot of guns struggle, ratios are high and lots of pricked birds, mainly because most guns don't get enough practice on these birds I'm afraid. Same as the Solway geese, throw enough shot in the air, and ones bound to fall sooner or later ;( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterside Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hi just out of interest can I ask what shoot that was please. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Interesting. I've often wondered if it's ever frowned upon to shoot at really high pheasants like it is to shoot at really high wildfowl. My feelings too. If you are going to kill something for sport - and I do, I'd prefer it to be within range of a competent shot using normal gear. I think I'd go with Jdog and not shoot. Its just a personal thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 You would have to wait until they were in range, most won't be so you wouldn't shoot, at least I would have thought you wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I don't get the fascination with the need to miss in such style ! Some of the birds were within range of a very good game shot and suitable ammo, I'd say most though were well out of kilter with the guns' skill level. It's a funny fact that shooting prowess and pocket depth are rarely found together. The sad truth though is that a great number of these bangs will send stray pellets into the birds which will just sail on . So you kill the odd one, so what, do you really think anyone would be impressed by a kill purely because of the distance ? The maximum effective range and maximum possible are two different things. It's possible to kill deer with body shots using a .22, maybe as far away as 150 yards, it's illegal for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Having watched the video over again and without knowing what settings it was filmed with, I would agree that there are some extremely high birds (well out of range of the shot pattern, never mind the ability of the shooter) but there were also a fair few sporting birds flying low enough for a shot with exceptional speed behind them. If I was on the shoot they would of been he ones I concentrated on and save the lead on the high ones. As the op said, they must of been close to the bag to be put on such high birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 If you shot at geese on the foreshore at that hight you would rightly be called unsporting clowns .the kill to cartridge ratio from what we could see on the clip was absurd, game shooters call it sporting !! 897 to 1 speaks for itself ,different ethics sadly call it sport if you wish there is no way you can defend it the wounded ones will glide miles back .very sad.I await being shot down in flames also. 897 -1 was actually poetic licence on my part either way the shots to kill ratio was absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 It's very difficult to gauge just how far some/any of those birds really were by watching the video; Like any shooting etiquette, if it's too close and unsporting you like to think it will be left, and the same would apply for something out of range. Thanks for the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 It's very difficult to gauge just how far some/any of those birds really were by watching the video; Like any shooting etiquette, if it's too close and unsporting you like to think it will be left, and the same would apply for something out of range. Thanks for the video. I disagree , its possible to tell they are too high due to the amount that are killed for the number of shots taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 We have adrive where the average is 1 for 10-11 shots, but one day an MP from Norfolk was a guest and he killed 1 for 3 shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 After watching video again, and that birds on video always look further away than they really are. I'd say most of those birds we're kill able to an experienced team of guns used to shooting high birds with the right equipment. Not condoning any average joe shooting them, but maybe that's down to the keeper ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 The trouble being when a average joe sees a exceptional shot knocking down high birds they think they can do it too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 The trouble being when a average joe sees a exceptional shot knocking down high birds they think they can do it too ! true, just as when one gun starts " pillow casing " birds, a chain reaction starts ! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 The average Joe needs to gain experience to be able to effectively kill at those sorts of heights. A game shooter should always respect the birds and only take ones they are comfortable with and only push themselves a little at a time up to a maximum. We have guns on the Crown Shoot who are seasoned and can quite effectively drop birds from staggering hight. We also have complete novices just staring out. We all started somewhere but those birds in that video would not be the place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 The average Joe needs to gain experience to be able to effectively kill at those sorts of heights. A game shooter should always respect the birds and only take ones they are comfortable with and only push themselves a little at a time up to a maximum. We have guns on the Crown Shoot who are seasoned and can quite effectively drop birds from staggering hight. We also have complete novices just staring out. We all started somewhere but those birds in that video would not be the place to start. Yes I quite agree that we all have to start somewhere and gain experience , but you do that by starting shooting birds that are only within your comfort range and work your way up so to speak , it should never be a case of "he hit that one" I wonder if I can . In wildfowling it is quite possible to drop a goose stone dead 65 yards up and get a warning for high shooting , not because you are not capable of doing it but because the bloke further up the marsh who cannot sees it and thinks its ok for him to shoot at that range even though he is only capable of killing a 20 yard goose ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Sweet lord they are up there with the gods! Amazing to watch though. Not getting involved in discussion as you can argue both cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nats Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 b325, Great video very special drive. Could you tell me where the shoot is please. You can argue the height forever but i bet you had a great drive, I have been on far too many shoots who say they have got high pheasants when in reality they have one good drive. It looks like this shoot is worth a visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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