spandit Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Before anyone says, it's a Sunday so I can't just call my FEO but thought I'd ask for the normal reasoned and balanced approach on here before I call him tomorrow. A friend of mine has been renting a room down the road on what sounds like a fairly informal basis. As far as I know, he was "on good terms" with his landlady but they've had a row and he's decided to leave. He's asked if I can put his rifle (a 22LR) in my spare cabinet whilst he gets sorted with a new place. If I give him the only set of keys, is this acceptable or would I need to get his rifle signed onto my licence (in which case I'll need a variation)? Isn't there some sort of temporary permit that would allow me to hold the gun but not shoot it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 He needs to leave it with a RFD I would have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 If it was ok with his flo then yes but you couldnt do it without letting them know first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 You cannot keep another persons firearm for them, unlike shotgun's, where you can borrow another one for 72 hours. Even though you would not have the keys to the cabinet, you would still be in possession of it. As mentioned, he needs to store this with an RFD, who may or may not charge him a small fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 If he has the only set of keys ro the cabinet then you are not in possession of it and it is perfectly acceptable. Would be wise to notify the FEO of his change of address as per requirement and new storage location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 You may be able to get a sharing condition put on both of your tickets, then it would be ok. Depends how long he is going to be between places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Thanks. I'll call the FEO in the morning & see what he says. Anyone know how long a variation takes in Sussex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I spoke to my feo about this last year and he said as long I didn't have access to the keys and the safe was securely bolted then the firearm could be registerd at my address and on my mates name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 My last variation only took a few days ..I've found over the years Sussex firearms dept is one of the best( leaving myself open here ) I've dealt with ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I spoke to my feo about this last year and he said as long I didn't have access to the keys and the safe was securely bolted then the firearm could be registerd at my address and on my mates name.Correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Correct answer. Absolutely, I have three cabinets and only one is mine, one is my brother in law who lives in London and obviously shhots on the family farm, the other is the chap who controls pest on the farm but has no where else to shoot, I have no access to the cabinets. Thanks. I'll call the FEO in the morning & see what he says. Anyone know how long a variation takes in Sussex? If you have an empty cabinet, it's ok, his address doesn't change. You cannot keep another persons firearm for them, unlike shotgun's, where you can borrow another one for 72 hours. Even though you would not have the keys to the cabinet, you would still be in possession of it. As mentioned, he needs to store this with an RFD, who may or may not charge him a small fee. Nope, see my above, if you have no access, you're not in possession. If that were the case my wife and my kids are 'in possession' of firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 If your friend had a cabinet fitted to your house and only he had access to his new storage arrangements I cant see the FEO having an issue with this when he notifies them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Sounds promising. I've emailed him so should get a response tomorrow. I like the point about my wife being in the same position - that's good logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Well, had a reply from my FEO and he said my friend must lodge it with a dealer until I get a variation. No point arguing but by the sound of it he'd rush the variation through... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 The problem with FEOs..... most don't have enough experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 The problem with FEOs..... most don't have enough experience Quite possibly but my mate phoned the local RFD and it's £2 a week per gun so really not worth the hassle to contest it as he moves into his new house this week anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 The problem with FEOs..... most don't have enough experience I am surprised that some of the pigeon watch faithful are not lining up to become fao and take the place of all the current ones that apparently know nothing the licensing system would be sorted overnight. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Well, had a reply from my FEO and he said my friend must lodge it with a dealer until I get a variation. No point arguing but by the sound of it he'd rush the variation through... That's a ridiculous decision, no need and obstructive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) I am surprised that some of the pigeon watch faithful are not lining up to become fao and take the place of all the current ones that apparently know nothing the licensing system would be sorted overnight. AtbThat's pedantic, it appears that they have training that should address a nationwide understanding of the law, obviously not. Bear in mind I asked for a new .22lr slot in October and my FEO said he'd have to get advice as its a 'odd calibre', He was perplexed until I said it was the most common calibre 'a .22 rimfire', the penny dropped then, he'd never heard of it being called a LR, nice guy though. As I've posted, it doesn't seem to be a problem in my county, not many laws are county dependent. Quite possibly but my mate phoned the local RFD and it's £2 a week per gun so really not worth the hassle to contest it as he moves into his new house this week anyway An e mail to the licensing manager may help. Edited February 9, 2015 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 The main problem as I see it is that although there are rules on firearms from the home office there are also many guidelines which as they are not set in stone rules can and are iinterpreted in many different ways. The police are no more guilty of this than the certificate holders who are also capable of misinterpreting guidelines to suit their own end.I think it would be detrimental to certificate holders if the rules were rigid throughout the country as circumstances in different cases vary greatly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 The main problem as I see it is that although there are rules on firearms from the home office there are also many guidelines which as they are not set in stone rules can and are iinterpreted in many different ways. The police are no more guilty of this than the certificate holders who are also capable of misinterpreting guidelines to suit their own end.I think it would be detrimental to certificate holders if the rules were rigid throughout the country as circumstances in different cases vary greatly That doesn't explain your unhelpful, pedantic post putting feo's on a pedestal. Spandit, I'm on my phone, so I don't know where you are, but your mate can store it with me for nothing, I'm in notts/Leicestershire border. It'll go on my ticket to save you the cost of a variation of that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Spandit, I'm on my phone, so I don't know where you are, but your mate can store it with me for nothing, I'm in notts/Leicestershire border. Very kind but he only needed a few days and at £2 a week from the local RFD, I think it's worth the expense. Besides, we're in East Sussex so not terribly convenient! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Reading back at the recent posts, I can see where some of the anger lies but I've only had my licence a year and writing to my FEO's superior pointing out his mistake is not going to endear me to him. He did imply that if I submitted a variation I would get it quite quickly - I doubt he'd be inclined to rush it through if I'd gone crying to his manager for the sake of £2. I agree that they are not experts on the law but I'd rather keep him on my side than the alternative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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