fieldwanderer Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 The farmer recently asked me to help his son set the scope up on his air rifle. It's a stoeger break action with plastic stock and built in "silencer". I got the lad to put 5 shots in a target at 25yds (measured) but the group was about 6"! Frankly, his technique was pretty awful though so I gave him a few pointers and tried again with exactly the same result. So, I had a go and put 5 very carefully aimed shots down - yet again though a 6" group! I think he's over oiled it to be honest but I've had a few air rifles apart over the years and I'll offer to take it away to see if I can sort it for him. I think a real good clean and check everything over would make quite a difference. But, I thought I'd ask first if anyone's had the same issues and if they found the cause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 What pellets is he using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I can't remember to be honest, something well known. Might've been Crossman premier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 before you mess about with it try a few different pellets to see if that makes a change,,good luck with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Could just be the wrong pellet for the barrel as already suggested . Make sure he has not put any oil down the barrel , and that he is not cleaning the barrel between uses , if the barrel has been oiled it will need cleaning through with some dry patches and a good few pellets running through it before things start to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Still seems a bit excessive for any of them but yeah I'll check. My guess is something's loose, possibly barrel, silencer or scope or even the scopes internals. No rush anyway, to be honest I'm hoping the lad doesn't get the shooting bug as it could well cost me a large permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 before you mess about with it try a few different pellets to see if that makes a change,,good luck with it And before you take it apart check whether is is still under guarantee!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larp Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I had the same problem the plastic on the end of the barrel was over a small part of the barrel I drilled it out still only got about a 2" group they are a cheep gun you get what you pay for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 And before you take it apart check whether is is still under guarantee!! It's a couple of years old at least apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidawson Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I've got a stoeger x20 had the same issues with changed the trigger on it and made a difference but again was only getting 2 inch groups with it, gonna try a diff scope at some point as it never groups in the same place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I've got a stoeger x20 had the same issues with changed the trigger on it and made a difference but again was only getting 2 inch groups with it, gonna try a diff scope at some point as it never groups in the same place Yeah, not expecting miracles but it could do with being a bit better. My airsporter used to put groups down all day long that were smaller than a 5p at 35yds (.177). My feinwerkbau p70 is in a totally different class though; put 10 shots through 4.5mm at 10mtrs when I had ammunition batch tested at h&n, the tightest group that year from what was said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidawson Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 http://woodfield-gcp.co.uk/?product=welsh-willy-trigger-wwtii-3 that was the trigger i replaced the factory one with did make a difference so might be worth a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 I have the Stoeger X20 suppressor and to be honest it's very .... Clunky, twangy when fired, I'm guessing it might be improved by fettling by someone who knew what they were doing ? And how to make its internals operate a bit smoother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 A Stoeger is a cheap and cheerful springer, and unfortunately it is what it is. I suppose some might be better than others, but at the end of the day it is made for shooting tin cans and very little else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted February 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 A Stoeger is a cheap and cheerful springer, and unfortunately it is what it is. I suppose some might be better than others, but at the end of the day it is made for shooting tin cans and very little else. I think you'd have a job hitting a tin can with this one to be honest, takes the fun out of it somewhat. Thanks chaps, I'll have a word next time I see him and, if he lets me, I'll see what I can do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyflier Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I agree with all of the above, but would like to add; with my experience of the Stoeger, I found the 6lb trigger pull a bit of a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I have one too, my first airgun infact... They certainly make a better one feel great :-). Killed plenty with mine and of say that once used to it you'll find them pretty ok :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Just noticed this thread. I have a Stoeger, X20 , which the first owner got rid of because of the poor accuracy.(4 inch groups) The breech end of the barrel , has NO lead in for the pellet, (its not slightly countersunk or even , de burred 'carp' workmanship). So I got a stepped hole cutting tool from the tool shed, and put gently a 1 mm chamfer/lead on the barrel hole. Instant accuracy. WW Trigger and spring kit. great gun. But it was the lead in for the pellet, that changed the accuracy. And even better with Superdomes , than AA Diablos.that the HW95 likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasualTea Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 I have a Stoeger X20 which I bought in 2013. It was pretty accurate in the beginning. I began to have accuracy problems like going off zero 4 to 5 inches up or down. I thought that the rifle recoil had damaged the Stoeger 3-9x32 scope that came with the rifle. I have other guns so I didn't bother with it for quite a while. Recently tried it again with the same results. It would shoot fine then go off 4 to 5 inches. I tried another scope and it happened again. The scope I used was another cheapie. I just got a Leapers UTG 4-16x40 scope and tried it on the gun. The same thing happened. Now I was quite sure that it was the gun. I noticed that the barrel seemed to be sagging and not lined up with the spring tube. I fired some rounds grouping ok. Then the POI jumped again. I checked the barrel and it now appeared to be lined up with the spring tube. I was keeping track of the alignment angles between the barrel and the spring tube. The barrel had moved up 2mm. I was only shooting about 10 meters and the variation was over 4 inches. I don't know how to fix this. I hope that this helps someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 28/02/2015 at 08:56, Longbower said: Just noticed this thread. I have a Stoeger, X20 , which the first owner got rid of because of the poor accuracy.(4 inch groups) The breech end of the barrel , has NO lead in for the pellet, (its not slightly countersunk or even , de burred 'carp' workmanship). So I got a stepped hole cutting tool from the tool shed, and put gently a 1 mm chamfer/lead on the barrel hole. Instant accuracy. WW Trigger and spring kit. great gun. But it was the lead in for the pellet, that changed the accuracy. And even better with Superdomes , than AA Diablos.that the HW95 likes. Hello, you can do the same with a round head brass slotted screw in a drill and cutting paste it is what most people use when chopping a barrel down, can do same with pellet seat, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Can you move the barrel side to side? Have a feeling these have a bolt through the breach faces but a tube between the bolt and the actual barrel/breach axis hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Tell him cack and best buy a better rifle. Saves any Hassel and time messing with a dud. The lad wants to enjoy shooting. Nothing worse than doing it all right and gun lets you down no matter how hard you try. Even the best would get disheartened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 I guess the rifle will have been chucked in the bin and a new one purchased by now! the thread is 5 years old 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Gordon Bennett! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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