victorismyhero Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 looking to get my FAC now (pokes kyska ) now the bit of land i have immediately available (there is much more but havnt got the paperwork back yet ,...long story) is NOt very big.... 22 acre and flat as a witches tit soooooo can any tell me exactly what lump or bump that there may be would be an "adequate" back stop... I mean do I need mount snowdon importing or will that 2 foot deep hollow the bunny is sitting in suffice,,,, again I think I know where I would NOT shoot, given the lie of the land and surrounding "problems" like dwellings , roads and a canal but I'd really like MY idea of "backstop" to coincide with the FEO's ideas this leads to Dumb *** question No 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 The ground is your backstop , with roads , houses , canal (tow path ?) they may require you shoot from an elevated position , ie highseat . Depending how your feo see's it they may not clear it , what calibre you looking for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Hi For vermin or deer ? Put up a high seat that should give you a backstop if your shooting at a appropriate angle and show your Flo that your using due dillagence Then move it round a bit to clear out the rabbits Bit of a rubbish reply realy but best I could come up with Hope it helps Or shoot from a truck vermin Some one will be along with all the angles soon All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Stilts! Ok I’m off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Stilts! Ok I’m off. leg it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 22 acres of flat open ground should never be passed for firearm just my own personal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyjack Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 22 acres of flat ground,iam hopeing to get ny fac,with over 1000 acres,in a valley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 It is small if your only FAC land but what are you looking to shoot and what firearm are you thinking of? If rabbits, have you thought of <12FtLb air or FAC air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 There is shortly to be added to the 22 acres a large chicken and sheep farm next door. Not sure of the total acreage yet as we are waiting for the paperwork with map to come back.They have a fox problem as well as snided out with rabbits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 I would perhaps wait for the paperwork for the other land , then the FAO can inspect the lot together if needs be . Not sure what Cheshire will condition for fox but you may struggle to get a centrefire on a first application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Edwards Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 If there's no earth backstop, you'll have to use the ground, and therefore you'll need to state that you'll always be shooting from an elevated position. You could emphasise that you will always shoot downwards, ie from a pickup, quad bike, shooting sticks, or like someone has said, use a portable high-seat. They might just trust you to act safely, or they may put a high-seat condition on your ticket. It depends on the FEO and the force really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted March 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 intend for most situations to use a high seat it REALLY IS as flat as an ironing board however the pultry farm has a few interesting hollows AND some earth bunds from work they have been doing.....and they are happy to leave em im place as to guns duuno...yet still thinking and that leads to dumb*** question no2 bunnys to 40 yds I have a daystae sub 12 .177...which is great at the job.... now to 100yds everyone seems to rave over the .17hmr... BUT for some reason I quite fancy one of those .303 100ft lb jobbies.. (the daystate wolverine) actually i fancy one becasue they are inherently safer than a HMR in that after about 150 yds due to the pellet having the aerodynamics of a shuttlecock they tend to drop out very quickly.... hmmmm for vermin/ground game further out and by way of mention, (if you see what i mean) fox..... a .22 wmr seems a "reasonable choice" that from brief conversations seems would be acceptable to cheshire for fox.. or should I start by asking for a .223 and promise to use frangible rounds (varmint grenades) ? there are plenty of suitable trees to put a high seat up I would shoot off sticks in any case.... I'm the wrong shape to lay on the floor comfortably...so a bipod aint gonna happen.....(and before OH says it ...weebles wobble but they dont fall down) your thoughts gentlemen (and I use the term loosely) would be appreciated..... (and yes i know the wolverine eats air, I have a cunning plan to solve that.....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) I think if it's as flat as you have said, FAC air will be the way forward, HMR is less likely to scream off than lr, but absolutely not richoquet proof. Good luck, as offered if you want a tester of all of the 'live' calibres I have all the ones you talk of, come and have a go and see. WMR is certainly enough gun for fox at reasonable ranges. Edited March 10, 2015 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 It can be done, but you need to do your homework and convince the police you've considered all the risks and will use a lot of discretion. It's not my main permission, but before I got my FAC opened I had a 23 acre livery yard and paddocks approved for .22LR and .17 HMR. Granted its not totally flat, but it is criss crossed with public footpaths, full of horses, surrounded by roads and a fair few residential properties. Shooting there does require a great deal of care and I pass up a lot more shots than I take. Effectively doing a dynamic risk assessment every time. I walked the ground with the FEO and spent a long time convincing him I was aware of the hazards and would always exercise a great deal of caution. It sounds a lot of grief, but unlike other permissions which are miles away, it's walking distance from the house, full of rabbits and the owners are very friendly and pro shooting. It does sound as if a high seat or other elevated shooting position is the way ahead in your situation. Also, on such a small flat parcel of land, exercise even more caution in the summer or after any long period without rain, as ricochets will become much more likley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted March 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) It can be done, but you need to do your homework and convince the police you've considered all the risks and will use a lot of discretion. It's not my main permission, but before I got my FAC opened I had a 23 acre livery yard and paddocks approved for .22LR and .17 HMR. Granted its not totally flat, but it is criss crossed with public footpaths, full of horses, surrounded by roads and a fair few residential properties. Shooting there does require a great deal of care and I pass up a lot more shots than I take. Effectively doing a dynamic risk assessment every time. I walked the ground with the FEO and spent a long time convincing him I was aware of the hazards and would always exercise a great deal of caution. It sounds a lot of grief, but unlike other permissions which are miles away, it's walking distance from the house, full of rabbits and the owners are very friendly and pro shooting. It does sound as if a high seat or other elevated shooting position is the way ahead in your situation. Also, on such a small flat parcel of land, exercise even more caution in the summer or after any long period without rain, as ricochets will become much more likley. thanks for that ...you are of course perfectly right, and I would be the first to say safety first last and every time.... as it is I use a 12g on there and excercise a great deal of caution even with that, even though I have "shot fall and retrieval " permission on all surrounding land...(and some adjacent sooting permission..) hopefully, very soon I may have a much bigger parcel of land next door as well.....abt 100 plus acres.....and a bit better with some decent bumps and lumps and the aforesaid eath banks...If that comes up in the next week I'll use that.... will the FEO then be able to consider the small parcel of land as "contiguous" with the bigger piece even though they have different owners??? Edited March 10, 2015 by victorismyhero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 will the FEO then be able to consider the small parcel of land as "contiguous" with the bigger piece even though they have different owners??? I don't see why not if you have written permission to use FAC rifles from both landowners, they adjoin each other and if you get them cleared at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Got my 22 on 12 acres of my own land around my house, but we are fairly rural with no close neighbours. I do now have the land next door plus several other farms close by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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