welsh1 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Just take stock before you vote and ask what history tells us about who has done the most damage to shooting in the past. Who brought in the Protection of birds act when we lost a number of quarry species , who brought in the countryside and wildlife act when we lost more quarry species , who brought in the Countryside and wildlife admendant act when restrictions were brought in on many shooting areas , for example Natural England demanded notice of concents before you can shoot in some areas , who brought in laws and restrictions on keeping guns and what sort of gun you can hold after Dunblane and Hungerford. Have you asked your candidates their stance on shooting? Read my post#10 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/306133-labour-anti-shooting-pledge/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 As for UKIP just a lony right party who hate anyone who is not born and bred in England and yet led by a man who comes from foren ancestors. Seems the beleve we can live without Europe , but will only drag the country down if the get there way. A party who has little understanding of shooting or the needs of the countryside if you read their letter to the CA. Have you been drinking? Personally I think there are more important things than shooting to consider when casting my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 As for UKIP just a lony right party who hate anyone who is not born and bred in England and yet led by a man who comes from foren ancestors. Seems the beleve we can live without Europe , but will only drag the country down if the get there way. A party who has little understanding of shooting or the needs of the countryside if you read their letter to the CA. You can have a read http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2332184/Introducing-Nigel-Farage-Ukip-leader-whos-charming-ladies-.html But here is a small extract for you,maybe you want to reconsider your stance about Nigel He says: ‘I’m really good with nobody’s children. But I can cook, actually. I’m good at fish.’ What fish? ‘Fish that I’ve caught.’ Macho cooking, you see. His press secretary Annabelle reveals he is a dab hand at gutting sea bass. ‘He’s useless at cooking artichokes, though,’ she adds. But who needs artichokes when you’re a man who can gut bass? Farage, a keen angler, has even written columns for Total Sea Fishing. He enjoys shooting as well. ‘It’s the hunter-gatherer thing,’ he explains, rather extraneously. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2332184/Introducing-Nigel-Farage-Ukip-leader-whos-charming-ladies-.html#ixzz3Wf60o5a8 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Whatever he is drinking, I want a pint. Priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 ukip all the way to the middle ages There. I fixed it for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Nige is a big shooting and fishing man and very pro gun, if that's your voting point another win for ukip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 whats UKPI`s view point on the pedestrianization of town centers, will they do anything about the big barns in the country farmers wont let anyone look in, will they change planning law on building deaf offender institutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Aha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 It doesn't matter what UKIP, SNP or the Greens say, you vote for them and you will get a Labour government with Milliband, Balls, Umunna and the rest in charge. Think about that when you mark the ballot sheet on polling day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Couldn't agree more AVB. "I just wish the Conservatives and UKIP had agreed to play nicely and not fight against one another.Actually a lot of the Conservative inner circle are disappointed in Cameron. They thought he would be more Eurosceptic than he turned out to be." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I emailed UKIP today to find out who they have standing as a candidate in my area but still have no reply. I have looked on their web page and it would appear it has still to be finalised. Caithness & Sutherland is a fairly strong (safe ??) Lib Dem seat and I think they may retain it. So although I think UKIP have a lot going for them I don't know if they will win any seats in Scotland. My vote for them although not exactly wasted but will be more as a protest vote being disgruntled with the other lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I emailed UKIP today to find out who they have standing as a candidate in my area but still have no reply. I have looked on their web page and it would appear it has still to be finalised. Caithness & Sutherland is a fairly strong (safe ??) Lib Dem seat and I think they may retain it. So although I think UKIP have a lot going for them I don't know if they will win any seats in Scotland. My vote for them although not exactly wasted but will be more as a protest vote being disgruntled with the other lot. No chance of UKIP securing a seat in Scotland, although they will get a reasonable percentage share of the vote. I very much hope that the Lib Dems retain their seat in your ward, not because I am a fan of them, but anything that is not SNP or Labour is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 It doesn't matter what UKIP, SNP or the Greens say, you vote for them and you will get a Labour government with Milliband, Balls, Umunna and the rest in charge. Think about that when you mark the ballot sheet on polling day. There you go with the stock tory answer....... Isn't that also what camoron said at the end of the leaders debate? Why say that unless he is scared of ukip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 There you go with the stock tory answer....... Isn't that also what camoron said at the end of the leaders debate? Why say that unless he is scared of ukip? Scared is a very emotive word. I am not scared of UKIP per say. However I am scared/terrified of a Labour or Labour/SNP government. And people voting UKIP a makes that more likely. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Where does the idea come from whereby UKIP only take Tory votes? Personally, I suspect they will take votes from Labour, Lib Dems and Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 It would appear that they took a lot of votes from Labour in the Rochdale (??) By-Election last year. Where does the idea come from whereby UKIP only take Tory votes? Personally, I suspect they will take votes from Labour, Lib Dems and Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Where does the idea come from whereby UKIP only take Tory votes? Personally, I suspect they will take votes from Labour, Lib Dems and Tories. They will but by no means in equal shares. And in a close election it will make a big difference. Although describing parties as right-wing/left-wing is a bit old fashioned UKIP a are to the right. The Conservatives are centre-right. labour (and libdems) are left. It is logical that the UKIP Policies are more acceptable to the centre-right Conservatives than the loonies on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Where does the idea come from whereby UKIP only take Tory votes? Personally, I suspect they will take votes from Labour, Lib Dems and Tories. They certainly will have to in your neck of the woods...if Ukip turn over this sort of majority I will join them myself. (Well not really ) Don't you ever think your vote for UKIP might be a total waste of time. Not being funny just pointing out what a massive mountain UKIP have to climb in many constituencies... General Election 2010: Bolton North East[9] Party Candidate Votes % ±% Labour David Crausby 19,870 45.9 −0.4 Conservative Deborah Dunleavy 15,786 36.5 +2.2 Liberal Democrat Paul Ankers 5,624 13.0 −3.1 UKIP Neil Johnson 1,815 4.2 +2.4 You Party Norma Armston 182 0.4 N/A Majority 4,084 9.4 −2.5 Turnout 43,277 64.3 +9.8 Labour hold Swing −1.3 General Election 2010: Bolton West Party Candidate Votes % ±% Labour Julie Hilling 18,327 38.5 −6.8 Conservative Susan Williams 18,235 38.3 +5.9 Liberal Democrat Jackie Pearcey 8,177 17.2 −1.8 UKIP Harry Lamb 1,901 4.0 +2.6 Green Rachel Mann 545 1.1 N/A Independent Jimmy Jones 254 0.5 N/A You Party Doug Bagnall 137 0.3 N/A Majority 92 0.19 Turnout 47,576 66.8 Labour hold Swing −5.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Michael Heseltine in Question Time a few weeks ago commented that (some data that he'd seen suggested) UKIP support comes from conservative/labour in a 4:1 ratio. And that doesn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Where does the idea come from whereby UKIP only take Tory votes? Personally, I suspect they will take votes from Labour, Lib Dems and Tories. Good point, where (if the polls are accurate) is the LibDem vote going?: Election 2010 - Con 36.1% Labour 28% LibDem 23% Ukip 3.1% Gn 0.9% Poll Survation/Mirror: Lab 33% Con 31% UKIP 18% LD 9% Gn 3% It's a lot more complicated than just UKIP taking Tory votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Fisherman Mike - my vote for the various parties, over the years, have been a complete and utter waste of time. We still have a bunch of pigs in the trough spouting about their own agenda. Immigration is my number one concern. It might not be everyone's, but it is mine. I have seen the effect on schools, the Health Service, crime, to name a few. There are many fine immigrants who add to the country. Sadly, we also get the rest. My vote is purely a protest, as I do not believe - even in my wildest dreams - that UKIP will form a government. However, they might just get the other parties to address the issue. If they don't, I suspect the country will steadily go downhill - whoever is in charge of the trough. If you can't see the way things are going, you are blind or don't want to see. There is no third choice, for anyone with a brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 It doesn't matter what UKIP, SNP or the Greens say, you vote for them and you will get a Labour government with Milliband, Balls, Umunna and the rest in charge. Think about that when you mark the ballot sheet on polling day. There you go with the stock tory answer....... Isn't that also what camoron said at the end of the leaders debate? Why say that unless he is scared of ukip? Still true though, isn't it? Labour bigging it up with their SNP puppet masters. Do you really think you'll get a seat at the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) In my opinion (for what its worth!) I think that there will be two scenarios that will happen after the election, despite all the protestations from the leaders. Either it will be a Labour/SNP government or a Tory/UKIP government. I don't believe for one second that Sturgeon or Farage would give up the opportunity of not being a player in the next parliament - Clegg didn't after all! And having a second party as a sanity check for the two bigger ones may not be such a bad idea anyway. Farage could be our next deputy prime minster! Edited April 8, 2015 by MrM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 MrM, UKIP will do very well to get 3 seats, 2 is possible and 1 most likely. There is no hope at all of any sort of formal coalition deal with UKIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Option B please. In my opinion (for what its worth!) I think that there will be two scenarios that will happen after the election, despite all the protestations from the leaders. Either it will be a Labour/SNP government or a Tory/UKIP government. I don't believe for one second that Sturgeon or Farage would give up the opportunity of not being a player in the next parliament - Clegg didn't after all! And having a second party as a sanity check for the two bigger ones may not be such a bad idea anyway. Farage could be our next deputy prime minster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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