VOTE CONSERVATIVE

[keg]

The Conservatives have had a massively positive effect on the economy. It would be nothing short of a disaster if Labour and SNP got in, in my opinion. I've heard that opinion reiterated many times within the private sector.

 

Any former Conservative voters voting UKIP in this election, should be fully prepared to bite the bullet if Labour and SNP take power.

Agreed, i have already voted Conservative.

[JustinRRushton]

ukip for us.

[MrM]

It will be interesting to see what Milliband does - he keeps on saying "No Deal" with SNP, but who will he then work with if he gets the chance - will Clegg switch sides, or will they come up with some arrangement with SNP that they vote together but not be actually in bed together!

[Lloyd90]

Did anyone also see Ed Miliband on tv saying there will be no deals with the SNP ? Ive posted about it on both political threads but nobody mentioned what I said lol

 

Surely the no deals with SNP with snuff labours chances ? Possibly some back peddling to come ?

[tignme]

Must be nice to have a choice,

 

Labour will get in round here,

 

Why?

 

Our family has always voted Labour and Maggie closed the pits,

 

Our only hope here is UKIP, a very very very slim hope,

 

So a Tory I may be but I've voted UKIP

 

 

Shaun,Google Who closed the pits and read the figures.

Labour closed more pits the the Tories.

[grrclark]

Did anyone also see Ed Miliband on tv saying there will be no deals with the SNP ? Ive posted about it on both political threads but nobody mentioned what I said lol

 

Surely the no deals with SNP with snuff labours chances ? Possibly some back peddling to come ?

It has been mentioned in quite a few places.

 

It opens up a lot of possibilities, but there are some basic rules that determine what is allowed to happen. If there is no overall majority then within something like 8 days or so the existing government gets a chance to form a minority government or build a coalition partnership. In order to have a successful government they have to be able to win a majority of votes at the Queen's speech, this is basically where they set our their plan for the first year of government, so setting the budget, establishing what legislation they will try and set, etc.

 

If they are not confident that they can achieve that majority of votes at the Queen's speech then by default they have to give the largest opposition a chance to form a government.

 

This is where Labour & SNP could stuff the Tories, but without actually agreeing a deal. If Labour and SNP between them have more than 326 votes they can effectively vote against the Tory motions in the Queen's speech and then Labour will get the gig by default. However if Labour can also not secure a majority vote (and it could be that close) then it is time for another election or all the promises go out the window and people will make deals regardless.

 

Last election Labour had the first opportunity to form a minority government, although they get the 2nd biggest share of the vote, but the Lib Dems basically said to Labour the Tories got the biggest share so were are not going to side with Labour against them as that is undemocratic in their opinion.

 

The SNP have no such compulsion, they will vote against the Tories no matter what. The big test is if they will vote against Labour too, which they said they might do if Labour put forward an austerity type budget.

 

So Miliband may not actually have to do a deal with the SNP at all, but he may well back down on a load of other things they said they would do so SNP don't vote against.

 

The real left field possibility is that both Tory and Labour are so anti SNP that they agree to support the other to quash the SNP influence and that would be fun to watch. They are not so very far removed from each other on economic policy so it isn't very far fetched.

[Psyxologos]

 

The real left field possibility is that both Tory and Labour are so anti SNP that they agree to support the other to quash the SNP influence and that would be fun to watch. They are not so very far removed from each other on economic policy so it isn't very far fetched.

This is very true, but I suspect it will,in the not so distant future, harm both parties. They have built a rhetoric that is so combative (often vitriolic) that makes it morally very hard for them to make up, even if it is against the 'common enemy' (snp). many labour voters in Scotland never forgave their party for campaigning with conservatives against a yes in the independence referendum.

 

Edited to say that, on second thought, what is morally right or wrong does not seem to be the defining factor in many political decisions nowadays ...

Edited May 5, 2015 by Psyxologos

[STOTTO]

Back the Horse on its Form

 

Cons, says it all really, Labs, that is a pack of dogs. Libs read ad-Libs, make-it-up-as-you-go.

 

UKIP has been known to pull up lame, rank outsider but could give the bookies a nasty shock!

 

I believe that there will be much, ‘Blood on the Carpet’, some spurting red arterial but plenty will be leeched from a blue vein and ‘Slick Nick’ will need his wellies to paddle in the yellow puke!

 

As for the ‘Voter Floater’ just like UKIP they may ultimately squeeze a flush of success!

[mark@mbb]

Ukip for me to David and George have done there bit the country is on its Bottom

Edited May 5, 2015 by mark@mbb

[keg]

Every "Poll of Polls" from every newspaper, news program or website seems to give UKIP 2 or 3 seats maximum. As much as i love seeing them shake up the others, i do not see NF visiting the queen.

[achosenman]

Ukip for me to David and George have done there bit the country is on its Bottom

 

Yes, on its bottom, true. Trouble is that's an improvement to the "flat on its back 6 foot under" it was a few years ago.

 

ATB

[welsh1]

Yes that's right, I voted for the party I believe will do the most good, for the most people in this Country. Narrow self interest and a desire to give the Conservatives a kicking will do more harm to our economy and people who work for a living, than the fleeting self satisfaction I get through petty revenge. There is more than one issue here and I think that voters will recognise this.

 

UKIP I suspect voted with us through the simple desire to give the EU a kicking. Had we been trying to get EASA FTL's, then I suspect things might have been different.

 

I do have friends. People who served with me and had my back when we got into tight situations. I trust them with my life, and they me. I have friends who are civvies. I don't trust them with my life, so I don't really count them as true friends...but thanks for asking.

 

ATB

And yet you still voted for the people who showed you they had no desire to help you or your industry.strange logic.

[welsh1]

I express my opinion, which has not changed. Just because you do not believe in free thought (as you have proven time and again) it does not mean that the rest of us should not be afforded such a thing. Come back on Friday, I am interested in what you will have to say then. As I said, until then we all can make predictions, express opinions and share our wishes or fears. Until Friday, you can keep living the dream, until the realities of what will happen wake you up...//<![CDATA[

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Oh I believe in free thought that is why I am supporting UKIP.

Isn't it strange that someone like yourself who at every opportunity tries to abuse and knock back anyone who supports UKIP cries wolf at the first opportunity when a UKIP supporter fights back,you are a hypocrite.

 

As for the results you still don't get it do you,I am not bothered if we get no seats,a message has been sent already that has made the other parties sit up and listen,they have changed some of there ideas because of UKIP and the support they have shown,because of the first past the post system the system is flawed anyway.But you can guarentee that the main party statisticians will be looking at the results and UKIP who may not win a seat but come close second in many places will have them sweating,and the main parties will know that support will only continue to grow in the UKIP camp.

[achosenman]

And yet you still voted for the people who showed you they had no desire to help you or your industry.strange logic.

 

My industry is but one small part of the UK. Once you recognise that, the logic is sound. It's about looking at the big picture, not shafting the rest of those who work for a living because of some petulant teddy throwing tantrum.

 

Voting UKIP will result in a Labour/SNP government...simple as that. I'm not about to shoot myself in the foot simply because I don't agree with EASA FTL's. That particular chicken will eventually come home to roost...unfortunately. In the meantime the country needs a government that recognises the vitally important roll of private enterprise instead of creating a bloated public sector that gives the statistical illusion of gainful employment.

 

ATB

[welsh1]

My industry is but one small part of the UK. Once you recognise that, the logic is sound. It's about looking at the big picture, not shafting the rest of those who work for a living because of some petulant teddy throwing tantrum.

 

Voting UKIP will result in a Labour/SNP government...simple as that. I'm not about to shoot myself in the foot simply because I don't agree with EASA FTL's. That particular chicken will eventually come home to roost...unfortunately. In the meantime the country needs a government that recognises the vitally important roll of private enterprise instead of creating a bloated public sector that gives the statistical illusion of gainful employment.

 

ATB

So you vote for more of the same old rubbish from the same old political parties,nothing changes unless you make it change.

[Nial]

Did anyone also see Ed Miliband on tv saying there will be no deals with the SNP ? Ive posted about it on both political threads but nobody mentioned what I said lol

 

Surely the no deals with SNP with snuff labours chances ?

 

There are probably quite a few labour voters up here who would vote for the SNP to give the 'establishment' a bloody nose, on the

understanding that the SNP will support labour and they'll get a labour government anyway.

 

If Milliband makes it a 'vote for us your you'll get the Tories' it might attract some voters back.

 

Also the SNP have painted themselves into a corner, if they don't support Milliband they'll be supporting the tories.

 

 

As a natural conservative I'm preparing to vote labour to try to keep the SNP out, the country comes first and if the SNP

get big numbers they'll create havoc.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Nial

[Deker]

Hartlepool is the same as I have said before labour are going to have some brown trouser moments in some supposed safe seats.

 

 

KW

 

Yep, I hope we can finally get them out, no matter who gets in it can only be better for the town

[achosenman]

So you vote for more of the same old rubbish from the same old political parties,nothing changes unless you make it change.

 

Well I can't remember offhand the last time we had a Con/Lib coalition so the same old rubbish is hardly accurate. The last true Conservative government was Thatcher and then Major. I lived through the endemic strikes by pretty much every public sector worker out there. Power cuts were rife, trains didn't run, the rubbish wasn't collected. We as a nation were a joke. Union power was out of control and holding the Country to ransom. Then Maggie got in and knocked some heads together. To be frank, it needed doing.

 

Unfortunately today the pendulum has swung back in favour of the directors who are now trousering obscene amounts in bonuses at the workers expense. E.g My company claimed things were so bad we as a workforce gave up a day off, gave up leave and increased productivity by changing our working agreements. We saved 10.2 million in that year and posted record profits. A single director took a 10 million pound bonus. That makes you want to spit. Under Labour, if I wasn't out of work, I'd be taxed into oblivion. No thank you.

 

ATB

Edited May 5, 2015 by achosenman

[Psyxologos]

Oh I believe in free thought that is why I am supporting UKIP.

Isn't it strange that someone like yourself who at every opportunity tries to abuse and knock back anyone who supports UKIP cries wolf at the first opportunity when a UKIP supporter fights back,you are a hypocrite.

 

 

Hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does another. I definitely do not fit in that category. As for knocking people down, you know you are wrong, I never do that. Unless you care to demonstrate it to me, and if you are right I am prepared to accept that I was wrong and apologise. Unredacted comments please, not snipets of my responses. What I do though, is showing you how the world is when you get rid your purple glasses. You seem to take such a practive in a very personal way, and demonstrate great annoyance. This is your problem, not mine. Resorting on personal insults is your trademark, but you are not getting anywhere with it. As I said, it is all conjectures at the moment. Nobody knows who will get which seats. It is all a bit of fun trying to guess. That's all. Come Friday we will all be able to assess the situation and express an informed opinion. Until then, each can say whatever they wish.

[Bazooka Joe]

Hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does another.

 

 

Not a pop at you, your comment just reminded me why I'm voting Ukip...

 

Describes the unelected moron to a "T"..

[Fisherman Mike]

I wish i really understood politics, reading this debate is like watching football supporters chanting for their team,

I really don't like any of the above, yet i feel obliged to vote,

 

I remember saying to a friend about 7 years ago…we are going to pay for this..at the time ,we had work coming out of our ears , what with new schools being built around here, and many other big projects where on the go...

the sad thing was..we had bad management at the top.. things may have looked great , simply because things where being built, but those things need paying for, we simply built to much to quick, and the under management in this country is not up to standard

 

we are a greedy nation, we actually have better standards than most other countries, and we do have a lot of lazy people in this country, yes there are some genuine people who need help, and they rightly should get that,

but we have hospitals, that get filled with drunks on a friday and saturday night, we have drug addicts who steel to feed their habit, …so we poured all that money into new schools only to see many young people loosing the will to live, or getting their 15 minutes of fame on the jeremy kylie show …don't get me started on that lot...

 

do we hold no responsibility to how good the country should be, are we that weak, we just shout from the side line...

 

at the moment, i am, or should i say, me and the good lady are starting a new business, we have very little money, some great ideas that will be achieved through bloody hard work, and long long hours, we are retraining ourselves, and putting every spare penny and minute into the business, there is only ever going to be one person to look after you…and thats you...

 

i'm honestly not sure i want to vote this time…..

Good Luck to you I'm sure it will be a success... I've always followed my Late fathers advice......"work hard, show willing, roll up your sleeves and do your best for everyone else, put yourself last on the list and don't blame others if things should go wrong, follow these simple rules and you will always have work"

 

I'm afraid you are right..... the country is proliferate with lazy whingers, hypochondriacs and ne'er-do-wells saturated with apathy and self pity. Its these people who are depriving the needy not any government of any denomination.

[Psyxologos]

 

Not a pop at you, your comment just reminded me why I'm voting Ukip...

 

Describes the unelected moron to a "T"..

 

You are right. Describes politicians prety well. I understand that this is a genaralisation, but I feel it is a justified one anyway. Just a question, and please be assured it is a genuine one. When you say that you decided to vote ukip because of politicians being hypocrites in general, don't you think that this reaction (no matter how justified it is or it is not) does not negate the danger of voting for someone who is also a hypocrit? Maybe they have not proven it in the house of commons (in my opinion they have proved their hypocricy in the European Parlaiment, but that's only an opinion and it can be wrong or scewed) but their demeanor and conduct in other aspects of life (private and public) offers enough proof. Again, my opinion, but this is what we are exchanging here, right?

[Fisherman Mike]

So let me get this straight,the Tories shafted your industry.UKIP were the only ones on your side and voted with you.

 

So you shafted the people who helped you and voted for the ones that shafted you.

 

Do I have any friends?

returning the favour and corrected that for you

 

I don't dislike you in fact...

 

Don't despair only another 28 weeks until the Turkeys will have their day.

[Bazooka Joe]

Again, my opinion, but this is what we are exchanging here, right?

 

 

Yes, & true, I think all politicians will be hypocritical in one way or another.

 

Voting Ukip,... I want change, want out of the EU, & immigration sorted, I also know they won't get a majority, nor will NF be PM, but one thing is for certain, they have defiantly give the other parties a shake up..

[Vince Green]

I think the Conservatives have done a pretty good job considering the state the country was left in after labour. I didn't have a lot of confidence in them to start with, I thought they were a shower of old Etonian with not much idea about the real world but credit where credit is due.

 

Labour just make me shudder at the thought they might get in and when Nicola Sturgeon talks about an end to austerity she means an end to benefit cuts.

 

No doubt about it. I will be voting Conservative