timmytree Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 I don't want any more immigrants wherever they come from but it is a bit two faced when you look at countries like Australia and America, what percentage of their population is immigrant or descended from immigrants and nearly all from Europe. No doubt the aborigines and American Indians felt the same as many of us do now?I favour taking them all back and sinking every boat, not close to Europe but within 3 miles of the African coast, those that make it to Europe should be given ginger wigs and sent to Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Most countries have many immigrants, but at some time, you need to call a halt. I would like those who favour letting them all in to put a number on what the country can afford, before it sinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 This is a humanitarian issue not a political one...we have a moral obligation to help and take our share in my opinion. We will appear insular and uncaring and our reputation around the world will be further tarnished if we don't. No we bloody well don't! We have sent these countries a ******* fortune in aid, left them with electricity, roads, rail and other infrastructure. Most of them are only seeking riches without work! Nigeria is not an at risk country, neither is South Africa (unless you are white nowadays it must be said). There was one African woman who was recently allowed to come back and appeal her deportation order, because she was scared of being poor! That was the only thing she was scared of, economic hardship! News for her, the economy ain't too sodding fantastic here and her and more like her will only make it worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longspoon Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 This is a humanitarian issue not a political one...we have a moral obligation to help and take our share in my opinion. We will appear insular and uncaring and our reputation around the world will be further tarnished if we don't. The moral obligation we have is to protect our Island.....what do you want? every potential migrant will just sit in a boat, wait for a pick up happy in the knowledge they have circumvented immigration controls ! Intercept and turn them back, they will soon get the message.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 The moral obligation we have is to protect our Island.....what do you want? every potential migrant will just sit in a boat, wait for a pick up happy in the knowledge they have circumvented immigration controls ! Intercept and turn them back, they will soon get the message.... You forget that FM has his eye on the ball, yet another supply of cheap labour to exploit and sod the rest of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 You forget that FM has his eye on the ball, yet another supply of cheap labour to exploit and sod the rest of the country. is the right answer. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Ah got you figured now, cleaner in Lancs council offices. KW Exactly. I rummage through all the confidential papers once all the workers have left. The amount of things I learn is amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 If they keep coming then this place will become worse than the place they left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Exactly. I rummage through all the confidential papers once all the workers have left. The amount of things I learn is amazing... One day soon you may come across a piece of paper, with your name on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 One day soon you may come across a piece of paper, with your name on it One can only live and hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 The problem is allowing more immigrants into different countries, only encourages more to make the trip. The only way to stop it and prevent people drowning in the Mediterranean is to send them back when they are rescued. The problem with this is few European countries or leaders are willing to admit this as it would not be politically correct, condemning more people to drown in the Mediterranean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Just watched an article about boat refugees heading for Thailand, boat had broken down and was adrift hundreds of poor ******* on it, Thai navy fixed the engine filled it up with fuel taught some of the refugees to steer the thing and sent it off towards Indonesia . Not saying its right but it seems to work for them KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sable Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 This is a humanitarian issue not a political one...we have a moral obligation to help and take our share in my opinion. We will appear insular and uncaring and our reputation around the world will be further tarnished if we don't. are you for real if so think of my grand children you are one very stupid person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Why do you think we can't take in the whole world? Our government has successfully allowed our national health service to morph into an international health service, and instituted an international benefits system........no one is starving! We have charity food banks to stop all that! No youngsters really want a house or a job cos they can always stay at home and be looked after by the bank of mum and dad! And when mum and dad get old or fall ill they have a ready made unpaid carer on site! No one is dying waiting for an appointment with a GP, specialist or at hospital!........as you can always call in at one of the A&E depts that haven't been closed, and after a short wait of a mere four to six hours (if your lucky) you can feel the philanthropist when you are told your operation has had to be cancelled for the umpteenth time or your allocated bed has been taken (blocked) by someone who needs to stay in hospital to receive social care or has been given to a more urgent/deserving case! And of course you Should never worry about getting life prolonging drugs....the experts at NICE will evaluate you case individually and assuming of course the drugs offer value for money in how long you life will be extended by! and cheap enough to remain within budget! You will get them Of course we can provide for the world and welcome everyone and their families into the UK! What's the problem? think you answered your own question mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 This is a humanitarian issue not a political one...we have a moral obligation to help and take our share in my opinion. We will appear insular and uncaring and our reputation around the world will be further tarnished if we don't. That's against the party you voted for who are doing their best to stop this country from taking any more.So what do you think about the Tory party who you voted for going against the eu who want to force us to take more.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Just watched an article about boat refugees heading for Thailand, boat had broken down and was adrift hundreds of poor ******* on it, Thai navy fixed the engine filled it up with fuel taught some of the refugees to steer the thing and srent it off towards Indonesia . Not saying its right but it seems to work for them KW What the.... Seriously kW, I had you down as a thinking man. What is it, let them die or just hope that someone else can deal with it? If we, as a wealthy, prosperous nation cannot help then who the hell can? There have been some seriously socially retarded attitudes on this thread as well as some ill informed scare mongering that is nothing but grist for the daily mail mill. Should we take some of these human beings? Yes. Should we do everything in our power to negate the root causes of these desperate acts and break up the criminal gangs that risk lives for profit? Hell yes. Should we blame and vilify the people that attempt the journey? No, because you would do exactly the same if you were brave enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Why do people keep comparing us to Australia? We are not comparable for a number of reasons but some key facts are omitted in these discussions. Firstly 1 in 4 people in Australia were born overseas, secondly Australia has a immigration rate per capita that vastly exceeds ours and thirdly more than half the population are not happy with the system and want to close the borders to all new migrants. Australia isn't perfect. It's also worth noting that having money do sent protect you from war, suggesting someone's clothes look to good is a rather naive statement. BTW The rest of your post just isn't worth responding to I'm so, so glad you're in a minority. You'd knacker the country completely in a very short time. Keep taking the tablets and you may possibly get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Should we take some of these human beings? Yes. Should we do everything in our power to negate the root causes of these desperate acts and break up the criminal gangs that risk lives for profit? Hell yes. There's your answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 are you for real if so think of my grand children you are one very stupid person I'm for real mate...boy are the closet racists out in force tonight...I can only imagine you've been drinking..I don't give a **** about your grandchildren...this is now and happening to people we've been trying to exploit for the last 150 years... I bet your quite happy to fill your car with their oil... Hypocritical Muppet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 What the.... Seriously kW, I had you down as a thinking man. What is it, let them die or just hope that someone else can deal with it? If we, as a wealthy, prosperous nation cannot help then who the hell can? There have been some seriously socially retarded attitudes on this thread as well as some ill informed scare mongering that is nothing but grist for the daily mail mill. Should we take some of these human beings? Yes. Should we do everything in our power to negate the root causes of these desperate acts and break up the criminal gangs that risk lives for profit? Hell yes. Should we blame and vilify the people that attempt the journey? No, because you would do exactly the same if you were brave enough. Indeed and people trying to score political kudos out of others misery... disgusting...as a wealthy developed nation we should be doing all we can to help these poor people... I'm afraid I've completely lost faith in some members of the human race and they accuse me of being arrogant and self centred. ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Are we saying here we should let these migrants flood into our crowded island and do nothing to resolve the problems which caused this? As I said earlier we can hardly house our own people, we have thousands of families dependant upon food banks, we give billions (£10bn?) of aid annually and an open door could put our economy into reverse and we might end up helping no one. Personally I feel we have done enough and the world needs to address the root cause not just shift the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I'm for real mate...boy are the closet racists out in force tonight...I can only imagine you've been drinking..I don't give a **** about your grandchildren...this is now and happening to people we've been trying to exploit for the last 150 years... I bet your quite happy to fill your car with their oil... Hypocritical Muppet There you go again; any opportunity to play the race card. It isn't a question of race for crying out loud; just when are you going to get it? I refuse to believe you are simply that stupid or naive, so therefore it must be deliberate. Claiming it is these individuals who supply us with the oil is entirely inaccurate and spin worthy of Campbell at his best, and would be hilarious if I didn't think you were serious. Are you seriously suggesting that by using oil, which we pay for I might add, from a government which fails to cater for and in some cases persecutes its own people,makes us morally responsible for their well being? Hypocritical muppet? Get a grip man. I have no objections to giving aid to these people, and I have no objections to funding it, so long as they're returned after doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 (edited) What the.... Seriously kW, I had you down as a thinking man. What is it, let them die or just hope that someone else can deal with it? If we, as a wealthy, prosperous nation cannot help then who the hell can? There have been some seriously socially retarded attitudes on this thread as well as some ill informed scare mongering that is nothing but grist for the daily mail mill. Should we take some of these human beings? Yes. Should we do everything in our power to negate the root causes of these desperate acts and break up the criminal gangs that risk lives for profit? Hell yes. Should we blame and vilify the people that attempt the journey? No, because you would do exactly the same if you were brave enough. er did I say I wanted them to die? er no I said it as how one country deals with the situation NOW , I also said I dont know if its right, ( I actually dont think it is but I have no answer,do you? )but it is Thailand's stance and it will send a message.So please dont play your morality card , I am as human as anyone I care dearly for those less well off and those who have had a bad draw in life, but what I do know is we have a finite capability of dealing with immigrants and we are now at a point similar to when you fill your bath I.E if you let it overflow you will damage your home. KW Edited May 17, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I feel it is time we started looking after our own.we give endless amounts of aid money. If nothing is done surely it's sending out the wrong message to the folk who want to come here.more pressure should be put on the countries they are coming from . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 There you go again; any opportunity to play the race card. It isn't a question of race for crying out loud; just when are you going to get it? I refuse to believe you are simply that stupid or naive, so therefore it must be deliberate. Claiming it is these individuals who supply us with the oil is entirely inaccurate and spin worthy of Campbell at his best, and would be hilarious if I didn't think you were serious. Are you seriously suggesting that by using oil, which we pay for I might add, from a government which fails to cater for and in some cases persecutes its own people,makes us morally responsible for their well being? Hypocritical muppet? Get a grip man. I have no objections to giving aid to these people, and I have no objections to funding it, so long as they're returned after doing so. Thats exactly what it is and you know it.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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