keg Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I was flicking round the channels a couple of nights ago and came across a fishing programme and it made me think that the same thing was broadcast about gamebird or deer shooting there would be some hefty complaints. Why doesn't fishing seem to get the same amount of attention? Up here we have a one man PR stunt called "Ban bloodsports on Ilkley Moor" He hasn't started on banning fishing in the river Wharfe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 The antis are watching fishing as well. You will notice that on those programmes they always put the fish back, even when they catch something edible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Which is ironic as in anti terms that is worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Which is ironic as in anti terms that is worse. +1 that's what i thought too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Too many people go fishing. If shooting were banned there is no doubt anglers would be next. There should be an 'umbrella' organisation for all countrysports but from my own efforts to get anglers to support hunts when Townie Blair was doing his worst, I know anglers feel they are to big, too powerful to be banned and would not give us more than a token support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 its something ive noticed for years... ive seen it myself when i mention i go hunting people frown, say fishing and its a whole different story, if their tree hugging vegans i could understand (just) but such a big percentage are meat eaters and have leather prducts... and theres no difference, crazies the lot of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 The huge growth in coarse, particularly carp, angling really should have put them in the antis spot lamp. This is by any animal welfare standards rather cruel: overstocked lakes, fish caught in huge numbers, dragged around by a hook until netted and then kept in a small net for hours on end. I love fishing and this is only the anti view that could be put forward were the opposition to get their act together. It's only the fact that fish are not cuddly, not visible to casual onlookers that stops anglers being persecuted. I must say though my angling is more Mr Crabtree than the stuff you get on Sky and if/when we have to hand in our guns I hope I can still wet a line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpigeon3 Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Why is it always the same. A few complainers with no interests other than moaning can cause so many problems for everyone. They have too much time on their hands, while the rest of us are busy getting on with our lives. I was under the impression that picking on a minority was against the beliefs of the leftys and was the whole reason they like to complain so much. Equality is for everyone, not for who they chose it to be for. I think we should get the fishing lot to join us lobby for a constitutional right to be formed to allow the freedom to pursue field sports. And ban abuse of minorities because of dislike for them. ( or isn't that what the eu, is for ) The left are sounding more hypocritical all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yates Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 The huge growth in coarse, particularly carp, angling really should have put them in the antis spot lamp. This is by any animal welfare standards rather cruel: overstocked lakes, fish caught in huge numbers, dragged around by a hook until netted and then kept in a small net for hours on end. I love fishing and this is only the anti view that could be put forward were the opposition to get their act together. It's only the fact that fish are not cuddly, not visible to casual onlookers that stops anglers being persecuted. I must say though my angling is more Mr Crabtree than the stuff you get on Sky and if/when we have to hand in our guns I hope I can still wet a line. I love fishing but must disagree that more people for going fishing. Many fisheries around me report that angler numbers decline year on year. I don't notice many youngsters taking up the sport. I personally haven't seen any antis in action but friends have suffered abuse from non anglers in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Is it because shooting is seen as "Posh" and fishing a working class sport? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Because fish and not cute and fluffy and can't been seen by most. Also, as Keg mentions, there is the 'class' element. I have had many an argument on a well known angling forum about this very issue. IMO, coarse angling could be construed and cruellest of all field sports, not that many coarse anglers would consider that they take part in a field sport. There is a lot of hypocrisy in that element. I was flicking round the channels a couple of nights ago and came across a fishing programme and it made me think that the same thing was broadcast about gamebird or deer shooting there would be some hefty complaints. Why doesn't fishing seem to get the same amount of attention? Up here we have a one man PR stunt called "Ban bloodsports on Ilkley Moor" He hasn't started on banning fishing in the river Wharfe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I wonder if I'm an awful hypocrite when I say that I have no problem with fox hunting but deep sea fishing dragging a big fish in for hours on end on the end of a line until it's exhausted - that I do have a problem with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I wonder if I'm an awful hypocrite when I say that I have no problem with fox hunting but deep sea fishing dragging a big fish in for hours on end on the end of a line until it's exhausted - that I do have a problem with If you think I am dragging a nice big edible fish around for hours when I could be in a shoal of them you can bleeding think again. The idea is to retrieve as quickly as possible, despatch, get line back down and get another one or 20! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Hahahaha no I'm talking about things like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I think the biggest differance with fishing and shooting is, with a fish you can deside to kill or release. With a gun its final no choise i have fished on and off for over 50years, but has always been for the table. As to the anti people if i can call them that, i feel they have no life of there own and have a big wish to spoil what we enjoy, because the feel as they are above the law. we all need to eat and man is a meat eater, those who care not to,then its upto them. I respect there wishes and want them to do the same with mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Hahahaha no I'm talking about things like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP88-2hBYEs Them fellows dont come in, in a hurry. That to me is to much like hard work. Give me a 10 cod any day :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I had an interesting conversation last week. A woman in the amdram group that I'm in said her adult son likes fishing and gave me his number to see if he fancied joining us on a trip. The first thing I asked was what kind of fishing he did. He replied that he fished lakes and rivers. I told him that we take charter boats for sea fishing, beachcasting or reservoir Trout fishing because we eat what we catch. His immediate reply was "Oh no! I couldn't do that. I couldn't kill anything, I always put them back!" Now I have no bone to pick with anyone and each to his own but, although I did it as a youngster, these days I couldn't reconcile myself with dragging a fish out of the water on a metal hook then let it go again just for fun. As I've said, I'm not going to presume to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't be doing but, as the OP says, I am surprised that we do seem to have some very mixed messages as far as animal welfare goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Indeed, a vast majority of coarse anglers believe that as they put fish back, it therefore makes their pastime acceptable, but killing something is despicable. I have seen and caught fish with severe and extensive mouth damage, to the point that I stopped fishing one venue because the tench (caught and skull hauled through heavy weed by the carp anglers, who despised them because they took baits intended for the carp) were in a pitiful state, missing lips and big unhealed tears in the corners of the mouth. Colin Willock's book 'Landscape with a Solitary Figure' has a good last chapter on this issue. I had an interesting conversation last week. A woman in the amdram group that I'm in said her adult son likes fishing and gave me his number to see if he fancied joining us on a trip. The first thing I asked was what kind of fishing he did. He replied that he fished lakes and rivers. I told him that we take charter boats for sea fishing, beachcasting or reservoir Trout fishing because we eat what we catch. His immediate reply was "Oh no! I couldn't do that. I couldn't kill anything, I always put them back!" Now I have no bone to pick with anyone and each to his own but, although I did it as a youngster, these days I couldn't reconcile myself with dragging a fish out of the water on a metal hook then let it go again just for fun. As I've said, I'm not going to presume to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't be doing but, as the OP says, I am surprised that we do seem to have some very mixed messages as far as animal welfare goes Edited May 21, 2015 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Is it because shooting is seen as "Posh" and fishing a working class sport? Just a thought. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 i use to do ALOT of "puddle chucking" fishing and got fed up with it ....everyone wanted to ctach the biggest, most etc.people coming round and checking your gear out to make sure what brand you had and how top of the range it was.......and I just fell out of love with it...it think fishing is seen more of a chill out past time...not hunting some little bambi with a big nasty rifle... Now I would rather go on the rivers...take a few beers and just relax and if I catch anything thats a bonus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Thats the most sensible suggestion ive seen on here for years!!! There should be an 'umbrella' organisation for all countrysports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Is it because shooting is seen as "Posh" and fishing a working class sport? Just a thought. **** me , have you ever joined a carp syndicate or gone or a weeks salmon fishing? bloody expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I guess you may know the water I gave up on that I mentioned in my post given your location. **** me , have you ever joined a carp syndicate or gone or a weeks salmon fishing? bloody expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 Not sure which lake you mean, i only fish Woodys for cats now, im off to belgium carp fishing soon but mostly fish for cats and a bit of sea fishing. I dont get the whole nuisance fish thing, the syndicate I was on was the Grange, the tench were huge and hard to catch, if you caught then you knew your presentation was right to catch the big old carp in there. I dont condone the mistreatment of fish in anyway but the "carp puddles" mentioned suit people that like to get a run or two in thier limited day off rather than pay fortunes as some of us do and catch the odd lump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 The old CEMEX 'Wharf Pool' in Stanford le Hope. The tench were prolific, had 20 in 4hours one Sunday afternoon, but some were in very poor condition mouth wise. Never went back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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