norfolk dumpling Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 At last a real move to do something about this huge and growing problem. Kids are dying and the dealers/manufacturers are getting rich. My initial reaction to the drafting of this legislation is one of relief - any mind altering substance other than alcohol, tobacco, coffee etc now out (other than for commercial/medical purposes - Teresa May for the next PM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) Approve (as in safe make up), legalise, tax - the whole lot. The war on drugs does not work. Edited May 29, 2015 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 At last a real move to do something about this huge and growing problem. Kids are dying and the dealers/manufacturers are getting rich. My initial reaction to the drafting of this legislation is one of relief - any mind altering substance other than alcohol, tobacco, coffee etc now out (other than for commercial/medical purposes - Teresa May for the next PM? Should probably include alcohol in with that!! Would imagine that this causes more death and heartache than any other drug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Should probably include alcohol in with that!! Would imagine that this causes more death and heartache than any other drug. you can't say that mate people don't like the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Should probably include alcohol in with that!! Would imagine that this causes more death and heartache than any other drug. Yep. Some years ago I listened to a debate about the effects of alcohol on the human, and a comment by a prominent chief of police who said if alcohol was introduced for the first time tomorrow, it would immediately be banned as a class A drug, was endorsed by some scientist from a prominent university. If anyone wants a resounding example of the banning of drugs not working, they only need to look as far back as prohibition in the USA. Another good example is the availability of drugs within the penal system. If they can't control drugs within a prison why on earth do they think they can outside? it is merely the same old 'seen to be doing something' politico smoke and mirrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 The trouble is what they're proposing will not work, all the legal highs Ive seen already say on them 'not for human consumption' so banning psychoactives for human consumption is moot. Lip service at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) Its a step but if your selling them as a toy/ or for a collection peace or plant food and so on this gets around the relaxed law sick of drugs next door to me got a cannabis factory I mean factory at least a hundred plants know quite a few teenages im mean youngster 14 thats tryed class a drugs loacl town is rife in drugs its more easy for them to get class a drugs than a packet of fags for a can of beer in my area Edited May 29, 2015 by littlerob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Its a step but if your selling them as a toy/ or for a collection peace or plant food and so on this gets around the relaxed law sick of drugs mext door to me got a cannabis factory I mean factory at least a hundred plants know a quitefew teenages im mean youngster 14 thats tryed class a drugs loacl town is rife in drugs its more easy for thembto get class a drugs than a packet of fags for a can of beer in my area Do you partake by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 you can't say that mate people don't like the truth 99.9% of those that like a drink, do so responsibly and with no ill effect to themselves or others, 99.9% of those that take DRUGS end up as smack heads with all the ills the title brings. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Blimey, 50% + of the population must heroin addicts by your reckoning then. 99.9% of those that like a drink, do so responsibly and with no ill effect to themselves or others, 99.9% of those that take DRUGS end up as smack heads with all the ills the title brings. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Should probably include alcohol in with that!! Would imagine that this causes more death and heartache than any other drug. Not in excess it doesn't whereas with drugs, you will not know how you react until you try them, may be too late then. Can't see that happening after a pint of beer.... I know what is in beer, don't know what is mixed with some drugs. 99.9% of those that like a drink, do so responsibly and with no ill effect to themselves or others, 99.9% of those that take DRUGS end up as smack heads with all the ills the title brings. KW Bang on KW, and it's not often i say that! Blimey, 50% + of the population must heroin addicts by your reckoning then. Funny you should say that, 6 out of every 10 drivers stopped recently and drugs tested were on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 99.9% of those that like a drink, do so responsibly and with no ill effect to themselves or others, 99.9% of those that take DRUGS end up as smack heads with all the ills the title brings. KW What a load of rubbish!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Why not tackle what makes people want these "highs" as I guess they are just trying to escape some reality ? They won't all get sorted but it's a start. Kdubya, where did your figures come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) Why not tackle what makes people want these "highs" as I guess they are just trying to escape some reality ? They won't all get sorted but it's a start. Kdubya, where did your figures come from? Why not tackle what makes people want these "highs" as I guess they are just trying to escape some reality ? They won't all get sorted but it's a start. Kdubya, where did your figures come from? Plucked from the air it is a load of rubbish I know plenty of people that use cannabis and cocaine socially and have done for many years and hold down responsible jobs and have some have Fac's too with no problems whatsoeverP Edited May 29, 2015 by geordieh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Blimey, 50% + of the population must heroin addicts by your reckoning then. Nah, 64% of the adult population are classed as overweight/obese and heroin addicts are usually skinny. So the figures wouldn't add up. When are the food dealers and food pushers going to be cracked down on? l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 99.9% of those that like a drink, do so responsibly and with no ill effect to themselves or others, 99.9% of those that take DRUGS end up as smack heads with all the ills the title brings. KW Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 99.9% of those that like a drink, do so responsibly and with no ill effect to themselves or others, 99.9% of those that take DRUGS end up as smack heads with all the ills the title brings. KW I don't think that you fully understand the problems of alcohol in our society today . Your figures are way ,way wrong . Alcohol Is the biggest reason for crime in today's society ,It's also one of the biggest causes of divorce and separation . Most drinkers will say that they are in control and that they do not pose a problem to any body . Why not say that responsible use of class A drugs is no problem to society ,after all the effect of booze and drugs is very much the same ,except that the drugs have a certain stigma and drinkers will look down at drug takers although they are after the same high . Drugs and booze are very much the same and become addictive and make normal people behave in irresponsible and some times dangerous ways . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Plucked from the air it is a load of rubbish I know plenty of people that use cannabis and cocaine socially and have done for many years and hold down responsible jobs and have some have Fac's too with no problems whatsoever P My brother in law, chartered surveyor by trade used to smoke cannabis every so often until the day he was burgled by a little scrote to feed his habit. He didn't see the connection at all until i pointed it out. I would not get in a car or shoot with someone who was drunk so why would i with someone who i knew did cocaine or weed? Many companies now randomly test people, good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Approve (as in safe make up), legalise, tax - the whole lot. The war on drugs does not work. QFT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I don't think that you fully understand the problems of alcohol in our society today . Your figures are way ,way wrong . Alcohol Is the biggest reason for crime in today's society ,It's also one of the biggest causes of divorce and separation . Most drinkers will say that they are in control and that they do not pose a problem to any body . Why not say that responsible use of class A drugs is no problem to society ,after all the effect of booze and drugs is very much the same ,except that the drugs have a certain stigma and drinkers will look down at drug takers although they are after the same high . Drugs and booze are very much the same and become addictive and make normal people behave in irresponsible and some times dangerous ways . Harnser Alcohol makes up 47% of violent crime,violent crime makes up approx 25% of total crime according to the stats in the table here http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/feb/13/violent-sexual-crime-statistics-england-wales-2013 The biggest issue is in teh 16-24 yr age group. Fact is people do not care about their behaviour any more> i would never have dared bring the police to the door or bring shame on my parents, now, it doesn't seem to matter any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Approve (as in safe make up), legalise, tax - the whole lot. The war on drugs does not work. Works in theory until those with the habit start to fund it by theft again. NHS can't really afford itself now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 99.9% of those that like a drink, do so responsibly and with no ill effect to themselves or others, 99.9% of those that take DRUGS end up as smack heads with all the ills the title brings. KW not sure about those statistics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 There are many high functioning recreational drug users who will never turn to crime and are in control of their habits, same as there are many drinkers who are in control of their habits The reality is the war is lost, better to try a different approach than chucking money into an unwinnable war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 What complete tosh I`ll let Bill explain it to you Good stuff.....'the Beatles were so high they even let Ringo sing a couple of songs'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 not sure about those statistics Neither am I but it made my point, never come across many who burgle, thieve, mug old women for what tablets are in their handbags, or or go on the game to support a drink habit? KW What complete tosh I`ll let Bill explain it to you ***Warning some swearing*** what was the tosh your answer or the vid KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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