panoma1 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Out of the five BASC council places up for election by ballot......... 7 male candidates failed to get elected. 2 male candidate were elected. 3 female candidates were elected. Noticeable how the only three women candidates standing were all elected with well over 1200 votes each, when the only two successful male candidates got around 1100 votes each, two of the unsuccessful male candidates got just over 1000 votes each and five unsuccessful male candidates struggled to get near to 1000 votes each? Edited June 17, 2015 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Out of the four BASC council places up for election by ballot......... 8 male candidates failed to get elected. 1 male candidate was elected. 3 female candidates elected. Noticeable how the only three women candidates standing were all elected with well over 1200 votes each, three of the unsuccessful male candidates got just over 1000 votes and the other five unsuccessful male candidates struggled to get near to 1000 votes each? That seems rather close as votes go are the votes counted by an independent third party that has no association with BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Out of the four BASC council places up for election by ballot......... 8 male candidates failed to get elected. 1 male candidate was elected. 3 female candidates elected. Noticeable how the only three women candidates standing were all elected with well over 1200 votes each, three of the unsuccessful male candidates got just over 1000 votes and the other five unsuccessful male candidates struggled to get near to 1000 votes each? There were 5 places up, and the fifth was got by Martyn Jones ex-Labour MP, who I think failed to get elected last year and stood again this time round. I wonder if there was a concerted effort in any quarters to get the women elected, as with their numbers of votes so similar suggests maybe some block voted for them. I think it's a good thing for shooting to have ladies high up in BASC. Thanks David, I didn't realise it was for so long, an election worth winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 David out of interest are there any stats as to how many women BASC members there are ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Votes are counted by an auditor not BASC,I will double check the number of female members when I get back to the office on Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 How the hell did Martyn Jones get in when he was all for the Hunting bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 There were 5 places up, and the fifth was got by Martyn Jones ex-Labour MP, who I think failed to get elected last year and stood again this time round. I wonder if there was a concerted effort in any quarters to get the women elected, as with their numbers of votes so similar suggests maybe some block voted for them. I think it's a good thing for shooting to have ladies high up in BASC. Thanks David, I didn't realise it was for so long, an election worth winning. Quite right, I missed the fact that Mr Jones got elected! Freudian slip? Lol For the sake of accuracy I have amended my original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morningflight Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 How does anyone know how many Wildfowlers voted ? those that did vote how do you know they would only vote for the Wildfowlers up for election ? Many members Wildfowl and precipitate in other field sports, they might vote for candidates that pheasant shoot etc. Some Wildfowling candidates were probably unknown to most Wildfowlers. For some it can appear similar to the Westminster debate and everything is focused on the South of the Country forgetting about the North unless they want a yearly Fowling holiday to shoot geese. Eddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Many members Wildfowl and precipitate in other field sports, they might vote for candidates that pheasant shoot etc. Agree with this. I'd like to think that no matter what a BASC members' particular interest was, they would stand up for all aspects of shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Indeed they do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Wot amazed me when u read the blurb they wrote before the elections how new some were to BASC, some where in there 1st year, and a few had only been members for a couple of years. While that does not mean u have not been involved in shooting for longer it does men u have not been supporting the Org u hope to advise/run. I think there should be a minimum membership term before u can run for office. Also if my sums are right not just wildfowlers who cannae be ***** voting, 12 folk (i think) standing pretty much all around 1000ish votes so 12-14k votes out of an org with 130K? members so roughly 1% bothered to vote There was a couple of canidates that got in that to me (and i may very well be wrong) look as if they only applied to get it on the CV, been members a very short time, quite young and in similar jobs?? possibly i'm reading too much into it thou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Thank you David for clearing that up. Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Wot amazed me when u read the blurb they wrote before the elections how new some were to BASC, some where in there 1st year, and a few had only been members for a couple of years. While that does not mean u have not been involved in shooting for longer it does men u have not been supporting the Org u hope to advise/run. I think there should be a minimum membership term before u can run for office. Also if my sums are right not just wildfowlers who cannae be ***** voting, 12 folk (i think) standing pretty much all around 1000ish votes so 12-14k votes out of an org with 130K? members so roughly 1% bothered to vote There was a couple of canidates that got in that to me (and i may very well be wrong) look as if they only applied to get it on the CV, been members a very short time, quite young and in similar jobs?? possibly i'm reading too much into it thou A take over by stealth - Or am I thinking conspiracy theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morningflight Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Doesn't look good when the ex main man Swift is turning on BASC. I have been a member since it was WAGBI and always thought they were the organisation to fully back and represent the shooting world including wildfowling but in recent years I have began to doubt that. Way to much namby pamby talk in this country now and not enough actual shooting talked. Eddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I agree with that Eddie - They don't seem willing to get the gloves off and fight bare fisted when it is required. Without compromise is required on occasions. Still, it is what we have so unless someone gets up and forms yet another organisation to fight for the rights of hunters then we have to let them get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Still think it would be far better if BASC, sacs, NGOs ect just joined into one large organization with subdivisions rather than having seperate groups...but can't see that ever happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 As far as I'm aware, BASC does not have a motto. They could do no worse than to choose this: Suaviter In Modo, Fortiter In Re Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 How the hell did Martyn Jones get in when he was all for the Hunting bill? well some vote without looking into things. Token women always get votes (there are a lot of female members and if it only takes 1000 votes) I am all for women on committees and in management but not for short term members being elected. Honestly I think BASC is under real threat from being infiltrated by the anti if we vote for people like "martin" or a person because she is female. If your that committed why haven't you been a member for over a decade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 David out of interest are there any stats as to how many women BASC members there are ? I bet they outnumber proper wildfowlers who I think stand at 7000? (but obviously some were so dis interested they failed to vote) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 6% are female, and growing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 6% are female, and growing They have a habit of doing that. Upwards first and then, later, outwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IEH Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 They have a habit of doing that. Upwards first and then, later, outwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hares Ear Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Still think it would be far better if BASC, sacs, NGOs ect just joined into one large organization with subdivisions rather than having seperate groups...but can't see that ever happening. I don't know how SACS came about. But the NGO was originally formed by 'Keepers who felt that they were getting very poor, or no support at all from BASC. So they split and formed their own organisation, which represents their profession far better than BASC has the will to do. After the threat to two species of our staple quarry, which BASC supported. The present anomalies in the UK's laws regarding use of lead shot, as well as the impending threat to it's continuation, and now the questionable composition of BASC's Council. Isn't it time that Wildfowlers split from BASC, as the Gamekeepers did. I would think there is as many, if not more, 'Fowler's than 'Keeper's to support a successful organisation . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I respectfully think that your appreciation of what happened surrounding the gamekeepers departure from BASC is flawed. It was much more to do with a clash of personalities and the massive ego`s (No disrespect intended) of some of the gamekeeping committee members of that time than of any dissatisfaction. BASC still has an active and much respected gamekeepers section whilst BASC membership continues to grow. If you`re referring to the General Licence issue, you`ve misunderstood what happened there as well. The lead shot laws are a matter for government who simply ignored BASC`s, and everybody else`s, input into that debate. You`re also missing the point that the wildfowling community massively failed to engage with the democratic process. The notion that this politically disengaged majority will somehow be galvanised into individual action. to joining in, to taking an active part in the same way that fowlers did with the WAGBI of the 1950`s is mistaken in the extreme. That apart, everything else you`ve said, I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morningflight Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I ask again how do you know how Wildfowlers voted ? they might have voted for a none Wildfowler, what you are saying is Wildfowlers did not achieve a good result not that Wildfowlers didn't vote as you cannot prove that at all. The best way to get across to the powers at BASC would be for all Wildfowling clubs to offer that they might just pull the plug. Not many other field-sports were as it is a rule that you have to take out BASC membership to join a club. I dont know the figures across the country but the club I am a member pays upwards of £7K a year in subscriptions Eddie Edited June 19, 2015 by Morningflight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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