welshwarrior Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 No problem with royal mail as they just put them in my post box.no fuss or bother when stuff comes from out side the UK. Royal Mail aren't a sect 5 courier though not even sect 1 or 2 so shouldn't be handling sect 5 ammo in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickthomas Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Asked if there were any restrictions and the company in the link informed me that he had many clients in the uk, and no problems reported http://www.alpinhunting.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Asked if there were any restrictions and the company in the link informed me that he had many clients in the uk, and no problems reported http://www.alpinhunting.com/ +1. Planning on putting in an order soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 So section 26 of IMPORTS OF FIREARMS & AMMUNITION IMPORT LICENSING ARRANGEMENTS 2015 how are you by passing this? Expanding ammunition is prohibited under Section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 (as amended). Registered Firearms Dealers may import them provided they have a suitably conditioned Certificate of Registration as a Firearms Dealer or Firearms Certificate. A Dealers Open Individual Licence is not valid as it does not include items falling to Section 5 of the Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Because no-one is importing ammunition, expanding bullets, even though classed as section 5, are just inert lumps of metal and not live ammunition. Edited September 2, 2015 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 As far as i'm aware your FAC for expanding bullets acts as the import licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Bullets are not ammunition, otherwise you would not be able to buy any bullets mail order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Because no-one is importing ammunition, expanding bullets, even though classed as section 5, are just inert lumps of metal and not live ammunition. Taken from the Home Office Firearms Guidance 2.9 Ammunition means ammunition for any firearm and includes grenades, bombs and other like missiles whether capable of use with a firearm or not, and also includes prohibited ammunition. It will be noted that the definition of ammunition does not include ingredients and components of ammunition; it is only assembled ammunition that is controlled under the Act, not component parts. Empty cartridge cases, for example, are not ammunition. The only exception to this is the missiles for ammunition prohibited under section 5 of the 1968 Act, for example expanding or armourpiercing bullets. Such missiles are themselves regarded as ammunition and are subject to contol accordingly So in the UK they are ammunition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Got a reply from alpin hunting and they have no 6.5 interlocks either. Oh well. Looks like I wouldn't be breaking the law then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 This has gone a little quite I'm all for getting cheap bullets if I can but can someone explain how the 2 quotes don't apply here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted September 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I think there is still a law saying you can shoot a Welshman in Hereford as long as its at midnight and with a longbow, nobody has been convicted of the crime in the last 100yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I think there is still a law saying you can shoot a Welshman in Hereford as long as its at midnight and with a longbow, nobody has been convicted of the crime in the last 100yrs. Only inside the city walls and most are now fallen down!!! Means I can go to the pub at night when visit the in laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 There's a thread on the stalking directory explaining why this is legal somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 There's a thread on the stalking directory explaining why this is legal somewhere See post #11, on page 1 100% legal - not that the doubting Thomas types will ever be persuaded otherwise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Ok spoke to BASC today and they said it can be done but a Sect 5 courier like PAR not Royal Mail parcel force TNT etc must be used from the UK port onwards for Expanding Sect 5 ammo target loads can just go any method. They had also sort Customs advice and they had confirmed awhile ago they would prosecute anyone not using sect 5 couriers. So unless you have a sect 5 courier acount it's highly unlikely you can do this legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 This is legal and quite easy and straight forward, the US has now stopped exporting from the likes of Clives because of export paperwork needed in the US, europe is on the other hand straight forward, Alpine has been suggested and there are others that will send, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 It's you choice but if you are caught importing section 5 ammunition (in the UK expanding bullets are classed as ammunition) and your not using one of a very very few section 5 couriers you will be prosecuted and ignorance is no defence in law weather a European company tells you it is legal or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 It's you choice but if you are caught importing section 5 ammunition (in the UK expanding bullets are classed as ammunition) and your not using one of a very very few section 5 couriers you will be prosecuted and ignorance is no defence in law weather a European company tells you it is legal or not. 100% WRONG If anyone got prosecuted it would be the carriers Not the company sending or the person receiving. And that came from the Top Man Of Firearms licensing Department . As other's have stated if you and other's Don't want to do then fine . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 That's Alan Booths professional guidance from BASC. As for Firearm Licensing even "the top man" are often wrong. Maybe someone should ask the Home Office! It doesn't bother me I get them cheaper anyway in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I have heard a few disgruntled rumblings about Alpine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 [quote name="welshwarrior" As for Firearm Licensing even "the top man" are often wrong. Maybe someone should ask the Home Office! It doesn't bother me I get them cheaper anyway in the UK. Correct nobody including myself is perfect. I to was a disbelieving this was legal so when I renewed my FAC I asked the FEO who then in my presence phoned the Chief of Firearms Department. I have already explained on here what I was told a few posts back. If it does not bother you because you get your Projectiles cheap why keep trying to prove myself and others wrong !!!!!!! Again repeating myself why would I who has held SGC and FAC for over 40yrs risk loosing them for cheap Projectiles and posting on a Forum which is checked by different Authority's eg FEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 No I buy ammunition as its section 5 expanding bullets/projectiles. But your choices hope you keep hold of your licenses but if not I tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I would like to ask, what is the difference between an rfd importing from outside the uk and a normal person?, surely it would be the same courier sending the gear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) I would like to ask, what is the difference between an rfd importing from outside the uk and a normal person?, surely it would be the same courier sending the gear?Very few if any RFD's retailers are likely to import direct they will buy from the uk distributor/s and the goods will then be transported by a courier authorised to carry the product (at a premium price). The distributor will buy in bulk probably a container load and again specialist transport firms will be used authorised to carry the goods. Bottom line is none of us like paying more than we need for an item but if the correct method of transport is not used then at best the border agency could return the goods to the sender or destroy them at worst you could get a knock on your door, is your licence worth that risk? Your choice but remember ignorance of the law is no excuse. Edited September 5, 2015 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 100% WRONG If anyone got prosecuted it would be the carriers Not the company sending or the person receiving. And that came from the Top Man Of Firearms licensing Department . As other's have stated if you and other's Don't want to do then fine . Not sure this would be true, let's say you purchased legal drugs online from a firm in holland which were illegal in the uk are you saying you would not be prosecuted for trying to import them? But the courier would who had no idea of what was in the parcel. If that's the case then hell lets get ordering and why you are at it why not get a gun from some mate in America or the EU because only the courier/Royal Mail would get into trouble, does not sound logical does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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