felly100 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 At the end of the day mate,you was the one who witnessed the incident and responded as you thought appropriate Yep,did a write up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Yep,did a write up. And I bet he regrets that now !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftycarper Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Yeah I suppose, was just venting, but I thought people would be more concerned about what I witnessed rather than put me down from not doing anything about. I'm not stupid, I've seen it first hand on here, if my post was that I had stepped in got into trouble wth pc plod and had my certs revoked everyone would be calling me a **** and telling me I should have walked away. As for my sia license take the **** if you may, without it I can't work as I have no trade as such, it pays very well and allows me to do the things I enjoy most so mock as much as you like, beggars can't be choosers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Yeah I suppose, was just venting, but I thought people would be more concerned about what I witnessed rather than put me down from not doing anything about. I'm not stupid, I've seen it first hand on here, if my post was that I had stepped in got into trouble wth pc plod and had my certs revoked everyone would be calling me a **** and telling me I should have walked away. As for my sia license take the **** if you may, without it I can't work as I have no trade as such, it pays very well and allows me to do the things I enjoy most so mock as much as you like, beggars can't be choosers as you say mate catch 22 on here sometimes,lifes too short to get caught up in arguments on here BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 If it was being videoed I would have asked the guy to refrain from intimidating the older guy. If he started to rant at me I'd rather that than the old guy. I would have kicked him hard in the gentlemens agreements had he become violent. I have no time for a fair fight, I'm a busy guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Calm down dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) I would have given the abuser the Vulcan neck move, if that didn't work I would have given him the chuck Norris round house, if that didn't work I would have resorted to the Rambo compound bow, And if that didn't work I would have brought great vengance and furious anger with the 50 cal , coz I can say anything I want / judge from my keyboard warriors den But I wasn't there , It is a sad state of affairs isnt it my mate when we have to think about our actions and the consequenses of our actions to defend the helpless You made a decision that you thought was right at the time Atb Flynny Edited December 1, 2015 by flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamey Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Sorry but its a sad state of affairs when all present at the scene choose to film the incident, but no one steps up to the plate to defend the old couple from this thug BB Was just reading a story in one of your tabloids where a mother of two was killed by a maniac thrusting a bottle into her neck after she tried diffusing a situation. A very sad state of affairs and will likely continue until judges become elected and the death penalty is reinstated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfer Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 To be fair I've read it and it sets the scene quite well,I haven't taken it as a racist post but I am not into the P C brigade stuff which is utter cods wallop anyway If it were a member of your family that was being abused how would you discribe the aggressor ? Would you be calm and all PC?i know I wouldn't I know it wasn't a family member but if you witnessed this in real life how would you discribe the aggressor ? Non pink person?coloured? And by the way it's not racist it's......................colour prejudice Racist =against a race of people Couloir prejudice=against a colour of people skin First post doesn't mention race Would you of intervened and kept your tounges still as not to offend him while ragging him all over for bullying pensioners?I don't think so Would I have intervened ? Cannot answer that as I was not there,a couple of minutes madness to lose what you have is a big decision when the couple were only verbally and not physically abused We all make choices right or wrong in anybody's eye but their ours to make We all say and type the wrong thing sometimes,as to not every ones views As for me,well not racists or colour prejudice I don't like many humans and I seem to be getting worse as each year goes by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 If a vulnerable person needs my help in situations like this, then I'd gladly help, but I always ask if they would like me to. I don't mean in a flailing fist fight or shouting match way, as often diffusing a situation calls for calmness and a clear head. Whether it's carrying shopping in from a car, backing in to a parking space or whatever, just give it a little thought - most times all you just need to apply a little common sense and give a couple of minutes of your time. Today I helped an elderly couple with a disabled lift - they just couldn't figure it out, and yet a queue of people were all quite happy to watch them struggle. It angers me more that everyone is content to just watch and not get involved! Well, here's a fact; most of us will get to the frail and elderly stage, and if you bear this in mind you might deal with a situation differently. Standing by and watching an old couple be verbally abused (bullied) just isn't my scene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 If a vulnerable person needs my help in situations like this, then I'd gladly help, but I always ask if they would like me to. I don't mean in a flailing fist fight or shouting match way, as often diffusing a situation calls for calmness and a clear head. Whether it's carrying shopping in from a car, backing in to a parking space or whatever, just give it a little thought - most times all you just need to apply a little common sense and give a couple of minutes of your time. Today I helped an elderly couple with a disabled lift - they just couldn't figure it out, and yet a queue of people were all quite happy to watch them struggle. It angers me more that everyone is content to just watch and not get involved! Well, here's a fact; most of us will get to the frail and elderly stage, and if you bear this in mind you might deal with a situation differently. Standing by and watching an old couple be verbally abused (bullied) just isn't my scene Belting reply .I totally agree mate, But I think the op was stating as I said its a sad state of affairs when we have to think about everything involved\ circumstances of our actions ( that we shouldn't have to think about) to do what's morally correct to defend the helpless and vunerable Unfortunately it's the world we live in Atb Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftycarper Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Fair dues, the only thing I forgot to mention was that during the fracas one of the main people who intervened and nearly got clobbered, the 83 year old actually flung his arms around him and tried to pull him back, he could see himself that there was no point in trying to reason with this guy he just wasn't having it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I think he means if you'd done something, to help,you wouldn't of lost your tickets Seeing as we're all making snarkey commnents, it's "wouldn't have lost your tickets". Craftycarpentter, not a great thing to have witnessed. Were the old couple OK at the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Parking makes people very angry. I know it for myself. Ever since I became a parent I take exception to people abusing 'parent and child' spaces. The same goes with people abusing disabled spaces too. These spaces are there because these groups of people need them. Someone who chooses to park there out of convenience to then have an attitude, especially towards an elderly and disabled person has no sympathy from me, and I will always get involved, irrespective of my FAC/SGC, GMC status or whatever. For me it is all about doing the right thing. That does not mean I will necessarily be physical, but definitely stand shoulder to shoulder with the person I consider to be the innocent party in this, at least. Standing there and filming it does not provide a great service, unless you are planning to use the footage as evidence to police or court, if it becomes that serious. Something tells me though that the people filming the whole thing were not so altruistic, and did it for their 'entertainment'. As for the description of the aggressor, it is definitely irrelevant, added nothing to the narrative or aid my understanding of the situation. Maybe you should 'reflect' on what you wrote and why you thought it was necessary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 You did right mate to not get involved, my mate had a bloke in his face & when he raised his arms,my mate purely grabbed him by the collard and sat him down.Did not hit him in any way,just used reasonable force to to avoid being assaulted.This was witnessed by three others,however he got a visit from police & his guns were taken along with his licence(pleb said he was assaulted).Took nearly 4mths to sort before licence & guns came back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 You did right mate to not get involved, my mate had a bloke in his face & when he raised his arms,my mate purely grabbed him by the collard and sat him down.Did not hit him in any way,just used reasonable force to to avoid being assaulted.This was witnessed by three others,however he got a visit from police & his guns were taken along with his licence(pleb said he was assaulted).Took nearly 4mths to sort before licence & guns came back. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Seeing as we're all making snarkey commnents, it's "wouldn't have lost your tickets". Craftycarpentter, not a great thing to have witnessed. Were the old couple OK at the end? "Commnents"?Haha,grammar fascist fail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 There is a lot of silliness on this thread about spellings, grammar, racism etc... shame as it's about something quite serious. There are too many self righteous planks in this society, and hopefully (but it never seems to) karma would one day catch up. I witnessed some terrible road rage from a company van where the guy even threw a water bottle out of the window of the van to hit the car behind doing 70MPH, (which was being driven by a mum with 2 young kids in the back) plus other nasty things like breaking harshly, overtaking on the dusty verge on the right of the overtaking lane etc...after the van was denied pulling in after under-taking. My wife had filmed this on her mobile and I saw him pull into services later so I followed - and rather than go and tell him what I thought of him (which would have then ensued in fisticuffs and losing my licences) I wrote a note saying something like "What you did was illegal, and immoral and I caught the whole thing on camera and have submitted this to your company... have fun in the job centre" And then submitted the footage to the company with the threat that they either properly sort it out and let me know outcomes or I will Facebook the video and send to media etc... Sometimes it pays to sit back, if able to. Especially as now days, the innocent party normally get the full weight of the law on them for sticking up for themselves, likely because they are easier to intimidate than the thugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I did something similar, a company van driver was the aggressor and I was the victim, so to speak. Got the company details from the van and called them up. As it was early in the morning, I was answered by a senior director who took a very dim view of his employee's actions. They kept me fully abreast of the dealings over a few weeks and informed me that this was not the first time that they had had a call about the driver in question. He got a final written warning. There is a lot of silliness on this thread about spellings, grammar, racism etc... shame as it's about something quite serious. There are too many self righteous planks in this society, and hopefully (but it never seems to) karma would one day catch up. I witnessed some terrible road rage from a company van where the guy even threw a water bottle out of the window of the van to hit the car behind doing 70MPH, (which was being driven by a mum with 2 young kids in the back) plus other nasty things like breaking harshly, overtaking on the dusty verge on the right of the overtaking lane etc...after the van was denied pulling in after under-taking. My wife had filmed this on her mobile and I saw him pull into services later so I followed - and rather than go and tell him what I thought of him (which would have then ensued in fisticuffs and losing my licences) I wrote a note saying something like "What you did was illegal, and immoral and I caught the whole thing on camera and have submitted this to your company... have fun in the job centre" And then submitted the footage to the company with the threat that they either properly sort it out and let me know outcomes or I will Facebook the video and send to media etc... Sometimes it pays to sit back, if able to. Especially as now days, the innocent party normally get the full weight of the law on them for sticking up for themselves, likely because they are easier to intimidate than the thugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny thomas Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Sorry licence or no licence if I saw someone treating an op like that he's getting a slap (off an 18 stone former rugby player) That said let's not forget only the good die young some oap's can be difficult at best and downright out of order at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotguneddy Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Sometimes you just have to be a man and slap the b'jesus out of people regardless of the consequences, if you want to sleep with a clear conscience anyway. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 There is a lot of silliness on this thread about spellings, grammar, racism etc... shame as it's about something quite serious. There are too many self righteous planks in this society, and hopefully (but it never seems to) karma would one day catch up. I witnessed some terrible road rage from a company van where the guy even threw a water bottle out of the window of the van to hit the car behind doing 70MPH, (which was being driven by a mum with 2 young kids in the back) plus other nasty things like breaking harshly, overtaking on the dusty verge on the right of the overtaking lane etc...after the van was denied pulling in after under-taking. My wife had filmed this on her mobile and I saw him pull into services later so I followed - and rather than go and tell him what I thought of him (which would have then ensued in fisticuffs and losing my licences) I wrote a note saying something like "What you did was illegal, and immoral and I caught the whole thing on camera and have submitted this to your company... have fun in the job centre" And then submitted the footage to the company with the threat that they either properly sort it out and let me know outcomes or I will Facebook the video and send to media etc... Sometimes it pays to sit back, if able to. Especially as now days, the innocent party normally get the full weight of the law on them for sticking up for themselves, likely because they are easier to intimidate than the thugs. Good move, did you find out what happened to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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