kent Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 The only issue with a 22 killing just about anything in the UK is placement Non of us can totally guarantee every shot There is a lot of difference between a fox and a big angry boar mind you I don't think a rabbit can survive anything but a glancing shot from a 22 gone bad for very long but the larger stuff like a fox can and that's the only thing that makes a 22 a tool that can be used rather than the right tool of choice A shot well executed in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Hate to disagree Whitebridges-but I don't believe that a .22lr is a suitable calibre for Kitchen work tops. Nice one. LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 In County Durham you can't use hmr for fox but I don't know why when apparently that's what the Guns were made for. This sort of nonsense is what I was on about. Why hasn't this been challenged by the organisations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 In County Durham you can't use hmr for fox but I don't know why when apparently that's what the Guns were made for. If under Durham and your fac has recently been in for anything it will come back with alq for all calbres so fox for hmr is no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 This sort of nonsense is what I was on about. Why hasn't this been challenged by the organisations? If under Durham and your fac has recently been in for anything it will come back with alq for all calbres so fox for hmr is no problem. Posted at the same time. looks like a sort out has taken place. I bet that has stuck in someones craw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 The only issue with a 22 killing just about anything in the UK is placement Non of us can totally guarantee every shot There is a lot of difference between a fox and a big angry boar mind you I don't think a rabbit can survive anything but a glancing shot from a 22 gone bad for very long but the larger stuff like a fox can and that's the only thing that makes a 22 a tool that can be used rather than the right tool of choice A shot well executed in this case And placing a lr bullet is harder than another bullet how? Reminds me of the time a 22 cf bullet injured a fox at night. The next day I found the fox and despatched it at about 30yds. With an lr! The only thing with more speed from a bullet is greater range. With greater range the more room for a mistake there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Got to agree with you there, Underdog. These really strong winds we've recently had (and I don't mean from the sprouts) have pulled in my 'acceptable' shooting distances with 22LR, but I'm very conscious of my own limitations. I've taken fox with 410 shotguns, 20 and 12 bores, 22LR and .223Rem. If used at appropriate range, all will drop a fox without hesitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 In County Durham you can't use hmr for fox but I don't know why when apparently that's what the Guns were made for. Also can't use a Hmr in North Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 And placing a lr bullet is harder than another bullet how? Reminds me of the time a 22 cf bullet injured a fox at night. The next day I found the fox and despatched it at about 30yds. With an lr! The only thing with more speed from a bullet is greater range. With greater range the more room for a mistake there is. It's not but frankly if I get a bad hit on a fox with my 243 as I have in many years of use it don't yelp and run off never to be found like it much more likely will with a 22 Years back I hit a twig on the bullets path towards a fox about 40 yards away maybe 50 at most when waiting for a deer This made the bullet hit the Fox in the back leg rather than the atlas joint at the back of the head neck intersection. It was very easy to track about 30 yards into the forestry were it was bleeding out at a rapid rate( the whole rear leg effectively vaporised on impact) s quick follow up shot ended things With a 22 it would have been well in range and an apparently easy shot Thing is I should ever caught up that one had the 22 hit that twig and likely the fox could have suffered for weeks Making a bad shot isn't always about wind and range. Other stuff can happen like it did that day Other stupid reasons exist for making a bad shot than over stretching things. Sorry I had to publish this grizzly tale here but it's real life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 It's not but frankly if I get a bad hit on a fox with my 243 as I have in many years of use it don't yelp and run off never to be found like it much more likely will with a 22 Years back I hit a twig on the bullets path towards a fox about 40 yards away maybe 50 at most when waiting for a deer This made the bullet hit the Fox in the back leg rather than the atlas joint at the back of the head neck intersection. It was very easy to track about 30 yards into the forestry were it was bleeding out at a rapid rate( the whole rear leg effectively vaporised on impact) s quick follow up shot ended things With a 22 it would have been well in range and an apparently easy shot Thing is I should ever caught up that one had the 22 hit that twig and likely the fox could have suffered for weeks Making a bad shot isn't always about wind and range. Other stuff can happen like it did that day Other stupid reasons exist for making a bad shot than over stretching things. Sorry I had to publish this grizzly tale here but it's real life I agree, is real life. But the issue in your experience expressed is an unseen twig not the cal of rifle.However I must say to opine on what if is just not reasonable, in other words, the same situation on another day with an lr may of gone just to plan! Or, had this happened to a deer would you conclude you had the wrong rifle for deer? U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I agree, is real life. But the issue in your experience expressed is an unseen twig not the cal of rifle. However I must say to opine on what if is just not reasonable, in other words, the same situation on another day with an lr may of gone just to plan! Or, had this happened to a deer would you conclude you had the wrong rifle for deer? U. Not quite the extra power comes into play when things go bad I don't see a bunny lasting long if the exact same situation occurred with the 22 and I ended up shooting it in the rear leg From impact of an unseen twig A fox and the 22 hitting the twig? Frankly I should be very lucky indeed to find it for s follow up shot There is no real fudge factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Fudge, yuk. Prefer caramel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftycarper Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I was actually asked if I wanted open sights on my HMR ? Duh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I was actually asked if I wanted open sights on my HMR ? Duh!Disgusting, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I don't care what is on yer ticket bud well done. I wager lr has taken more fox than anything else!(rifle wise). Yup. I've said this before UD and maintain that there has been more Fox shot over the years with 22lr than anything else!!! Long before all this minimum calibre requirement tosh. Sensible ranges and the 22lr is the perfect tool. Nice work Belly as well. Perfect shot placement. Excellent pics as a well. Well done ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted January 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Yup. I've said this before UD and maintain that there has been more Fox shot over the years with 22lr than anything else!!! Long before all this minimum calibre requirement tosh. Sensible ranges and the 22lr is the perfect tool. Nice work Belly as well. Perfect shot placement. Excellent pics as a well. Well done ATB, Pat thanks very much for the comments. I've let a few foxes go previously with the .22 as for one reason or another I didn't feel comfortable with the situation that presented itself, but on this occasion it was ideal and a good clean kill was the result. I'm pleased with my overall performance both with this fox and the ones I didn't shoot. I read avidly threads about fox with .22, many from underdog on here and I'm comfortable now in my use of it for foxes. but the debate will continue I'm sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurchers Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 If under Durham and your fac has recently been in for anything it will come back with alq for all calbres so fox for hmr is no problem. I will have a look at my licence as they have just been renewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 I think the picture speaks volumes, correct shot placement and a dead fox, well done that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksman1997 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I use 22lr subsonic for foxes and haven't shot a ton but all have been clean kills. Even a well placed subsonic to the chest at very close range will drop them on the spot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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