BrowningB525 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 And the magic part is how it knows when to seperate and spread the pellets! My first thought was that it flipped over during the turbulence of transonic flight, but id assume that is likely to be before say 90 metres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 My first thought was that it flipped over during the turbulence of transonic flight, This is plausible, and very relevant to Old Farrier's comment that they might behave differently if fired vertically ie slowing more quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 How about: the poor aerodynamic efficiency of the blunt end of the wad is going to want to slow it down because of the air resistance. This reduction in velocity may or may not be felt at the front end of the shot column. However, the back end of the shot will not be so effected and will wish to carry on regardless. As soon as any distortion of the wad or any slight deviation from straight and level flight caused by forces generated from this interaction reaches a critical point, any aerodynamic efficiency will be lost and the wad will immediately stall leaving the shot to carry on unimpeded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 How about: the poor aerodynamic efficiency of the blunt end of the wad is going to want to slow it down because of the air resistance. This reduction in velocity may or may not be felt at the front end of the shot column. However, the back end of the shot will not be so effected and will wish to carry on regardless. As soon as any distortion of the wad or any slight deviation from straight and level flight caused by forces generated from this interaction reaches a critical point, any aerodynamic efficiency will be lost and the wad will immediately stall leaving the shot to carry on unimpeded? The wad is backward and needs to effectively flip over on these. What you have said is how a normal wad works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) This is plausible, and very relevant to Old Farrier's comment that they might behave differently if fired vertically ie slowing more quickly. I'm one of those people who tends to believe things only when proven beyond reasonable doubt, the thought that someone has gone on to design a shell that needs to be fired vertically to perform fills me with a double dose of scepticism. I can just hear the loader, not yet sir, that bird is still only 68 degrees according to my inclinometer we need to see the feathers covering its bum just to be sure. Edited February 2, 2016 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 The wad is backward and needs to effectively flip over on these. What you have said is how a normal wad works. I used the word "stall" and perhaps should have said, 'flip over'. When an aircraft stalls it just doesn't stop - more often than not it flips over. If you think about it, before the advent of the crimp closure, countless millions of game was shot by countless millions of cartridges having an over shot card. These were inherently aerodynamically unstable and would have flipped almost immediately on leaving the barrel. The 'tube' that we're talking about here would be somewhat more stable. I'll hazard a blind guess and say that as the 60 metre version has a smaller load and therefore the 'tube' will be shorter than its big brother that this will flip proportionally sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I used the word "stall" and perhaps should have said, 'flip over'. When an aircraft stalls it just doesn't stop - more often than not it flips over. If you think about it, before the advent of the crimp closure, countless millions of game was shot by countless millions of cartridges having an over shot card. These were inherently aerodynamically unstable and would have flipped almost immediately on leaving the barrel. The 'tube' that we're talking about here would be somewhat more stable. I'll hazard a blind guess and say that as the 60 metre version has a smaller load and therefore the 'tube' will be shorter than its big brother that this will flip proportionally sooner. Ah, you lost me as aircraft stall is when the aerofoil in the wings loses lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Ah, you lost me as aircraft stall is when the aerofoil in the wings loses lift. Yep, L over .5 x r x V squ'd x S = Cl = 0 and all that. It's lost its lift because the aerodynamic efficiency has been lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 And the Americans never landed on the moon, it was all filmed in Iceland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Still tempted to try some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 And the Americans never landed on the moon, it was all filmed in Iceland.Which branch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I thought it was farm foods ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Still tempted to try some +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi Looks like a gave a few something to think about mentioning these here 😋 But to clarify a few points I never mentioned song bird shooting with them !! It is a special over shot cup with a rounded nose and ribbed sides Not a reversed wad !!!! It fits into the wad in a grove I believe as the wad looses momentum it is at this point it flips and separates from the shot charge (this is a experimental gess) It's hard to work it out although it certainly takes the charge out ther And there brilliant for smashing squirrel drays and high crows nests I also said you were assuming they worked the same horizontal to vertical I believe they work a bit different When fired they make a unusual noise in flight different when fired horizontal it maybe just the ground reflecting it differently Don't know yet Do think however the best thing to do is buy and try there not a cartridge for every one and every thing All the best Of Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Fox drive stuff. Hopefully on your own in a very private and safe place 42 grm of no1 or bb is the very maximum you need on s fox drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi Looks like a gave a few something to think about mentioning these here 😋 But to clarify a few points I never mentioned song bird shooting with them !! It is a special over shot cup with a rounded nose and ribbed sides Not a reversed wad !!!! It fits into the wad in a grove I believe as the wad looses momentum it is at this point it flips and separates from the shot charge (this is a experimental gess) It's hard to work it out although it certainly takes the charge out ther And there brilliant for smashing squirrel drays and high crows nests I also said you were assuming they worked the same horizontal to vertical I believe they work a bit different When fired they make a unusual noise in flight different when fired horizontal it maybe just the ground reflecting it differently Don't know yet Do think however the best thing to do is buy and try there not a cartridge for every one and every thing All the best Of Just a thought You can punch crow nests and dress with 28 grm clay loads though and they won't curve down and kill a person or stock three fields away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 You can punch crow nests and dress with 28 grm clay loads though and they won't curve down and kill a person or stock three fields away Do you not think the wad woild open after its been through crows nest or dray ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 You can punch crow nests and dress with 28 grm clay loads though and they won't curve down and kill a person or stock three fields away Good point Think my trees may be a bit taller then yours though And bowing there ability I most defiantly take safety into account And obviously as I'm the only person on this thread that admits to using them your the best judge of there capability Have any of you ever shot a crow or a squirrel out of a tree with a rimfire ? Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Good point Think my trees may be a bit taller then yours though And bowing there ability I most defiantly take safety into account And obviously as I'm the only person on this thread that admits to using them your the best judge of there capability Have any of you ever shot a crow or a squirrel out of a tree with a rimfire ? Just a thought In some places it's safe with a deer rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Do you not think the wad woild open after its been through crows nest or dray ? Don't know and don't want to try to be honest I go around this time of year onwards and blow out the old nests. Just so if I see one I know it's new And I do it with all the odds and **** I don't need a slug that's for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 In some places it's safe with a deer rifle So your comment about me killing someone 3 fields away was a bit unnessasary with a hundred meter cartridge bearing in mind it would be spent by the time it fell to the ground the same as your deer rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 So your comment about me killing someone 3 fields away was a bit unnessasary with a hundred meter cartridge bearing in mind it would be spent by the time it fell to the ground the same as your deer rifle OF just leave him to play on his own . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 No worries stevo I had noticed the later in the day the posts how they differ Maybe there's a medication or alcohol issue There's no doubt that these can influence posts 😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Sounds brilliant,I'm Deffo trying these! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Gentlemen, I'm afraid I'm still a bit confused, with loading backwards and turning in flight etc.? The fibre shot cup looks to me to be as if it should be loaded into the case, then filled with the requisite amount of shot. From the description and instructions to slit, I would guess that the cup would then act as a plastic wad does and open up where slit, banana skin like, (for want of a better description) My question, and it has been partially answered by the fact that the long range cartridge has an over shot element remains...... if the shot cup were filled, and not slit, would it act to hold the shot together slug-like? More to the point, if slitting is required, why are they not pre-cut? I apologise for my lack of understanding Regards Edited February 3, 2016 by impala59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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