clay shooter Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Has anyone ever heard of a person who has been granted a shotgun certificate by his local Police force and who has been diagnosed with a weak heart.and has to take tablets? I thought we all had to be fit and sane to have one? Although I know that the Duke of Edinbrough has had problems..but he is a Royal so trustworthy/etc and at the top of the shooting elete tree..But I have now met a guy that has NO RESTRICTIONS ..He has a normal certificate like me (5yrs)??Anyone can you have a certificate with a dodgie Heart??? ? Edited February 10, 2016 by clay shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtrax Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 cant see how having a weak heart would mean a person is not sane? heart tablets for a condition is not the same as anti depresants and treatment for depression or stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I don't see the problem. What problem do you see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyeruk Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Cant see a problem there either. Edited February 10, 2016 by flyeruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I would presume that the health part is only relevent as regards mental illnesses or terminal diseases. ie conditions that might result in the shooter hurting himself or others. Don`t really see why a weak heart would stop anyone being issued an SGC. One of the guys I occasionally shoot with has angina and he has no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay shooter Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 well I thought we had to be fit and when I say sane I use that as saying not mental problems..but what if he collapses? would it be out in the field..he might acidentaly kill someone in a group for example...I DO AGREE that there would be NO PROBlem as his doctor would have agreed at the police check as to his fitness..BUT I also hear that the Blind school here recently were treated to a few shots in the parkland...?? How the shooting world has changed these last few years .......or have I fell asleep( indeed I might not be fit to own a certificate myself....(asleep for 40yrs) Ha! Ha!...well thanx for the info and enlightenment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I have mild aortic valve stenosis with no treatment required and also high blood pressure which does. I would imagine that if certificates were revoked for those effected, then the number of certificates in circulation would be reduced at a stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtrax Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 well I thought we had to be fit and when I say sane I use that as saying not mental problems..but what if he collapses? would it be out in the field..he might acidentaly kill someone in a group for example...I DO AGREE that there would be NO PROBlem as his doctor would have agreed at the police check as to his fitness..BUT I also hear that the Blind school here recently were treated to a few shots in the parkland...?? How the shooting world has changed these last few years .......or have I fell asleep( indeed I might not be fit to own a certificate myself....(asleep for 40yrs) Ha! Ha!...well thanx for the info and enlightenment... the chances of him collapsing and accidentley shooting someone in the field is no greater than a person stumbling or tripping and accidentley shooting someone or being killed in the car on the way to the shoot or being struck by lightning in the field. theres plenty of people with poor health driving cars and a serious car accident can certainley cause many deathes. so i would be inclined to not worry bout it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay shooter Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Ha! Ha!..at a STROKE...well thought that pun.. yes I see but it does seem strange..BUT I one day might be like Frank my shooting syndicate friend..and like those in not so good health I guess I'm too carefull and a little un-educated in what a man can do with heart problems...I look back and see Frank over the last 25 years of our shooting times and he has had the condition for 6yrs...I NEVER KNEW..Well you cant see it can you ..his heart is hidden ... so I thought it was good...MUST help him carry his gear next time we are out...without him thinking I'm helping...Mmmmm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Depends what you mean by weak heart. If you are fit enough to drive you're fit enough to have a SGC. How many CHD patients have you heard of dropping dead when out shooting, none I would guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I think the serious illness thing is more about serious depression brought on by diagnosis of terminal cancer etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 How does a weak heart make him a danger to the public or the peace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I was granted SGC and FAC six months after being on depression tablets was on them for two years , you shouldn't have a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I can't understand how anyone would consider it 'strange'. A mate of mine has a heart condition and he's never mentioned it being an obstacle to his tickets. I suppose a lot depends on the severity but he still has his Class 1, which he needs for his work driving a loading bucket. I think he has more than is the required norm regarding medicals, paid for by his employer. Brother in law has just had his driving license reinstated after going three years without incident following a pacemaker fitting. I also know people with epilepsy who hold driving licenses. As long as the treatment controls the ailment I can't see a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 my dads had his cert renewed, and he has terminal cancer, only thing the officer wanted was to have the keys split up, so my mum has the top lock and my dad has the bottom lock key, so she can provide the key to him when he wants to go shooting, (but my mum doesn't have access to the gun) which he even admitted won't stop someone who wanted to end it as he still has a cert and could go buy a other gun if he so wished its all about ones mental state in these situations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I presume the thread is a complete wind up. I find it hard to credit that someone could be so dumb. The quote about the Duke of Edinburgh sums it up - he presumably could be nearly dead, but fit to have an SGC, unlike we commoners. he is a Royal so trustworthy/etc and at the top of the shooting elete tree.. Absolute drivel. But I have now met a guy that has NO RESTRICTIONS ..He has a normal certificate like me (5yrs)??Anyone can you have a certificate with a dodgie Heart??? I look back and see Frank over the last 25 years of our shooting times and he has had the condition for 6yrs...I NEVER KNEW Is that Frank, who you have just met, but known for 25 years? Edited February 12, 2016 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I thought actual royals didn't need cents anyway? Queen certainly doesn't............ Crown servant exemption that applies to plod applies to royal household staff, imagine them coming to check the cabinet at buck house lol..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 MUST help him carry his gear next time we are out...without him thinking I'm helping...Mmmmm! No! Leave it to the experts. The chances are that regular exercise is part of his treatment. More than half of the over 50s and more than three quarters of the over 60s in the UK are taking meds for conditions related to their cardiovascular system. Most are essentially being kept upright by drugs. There are a hell of lot of SGC holders out there in the over 50 age bracket... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I thought actual royals didn't need cents anyway? Queen certainly doesn't............ Crown servant exemption that applies to plod applies to royal household staff, imagine them coming to check the cabinet at buck house lol..... Just to point out that the exemption does not apply to "private" firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Just to point out that the exemption does not apply to "private" firearms.Only work related but for q Royal footman to carry willies purdey? Edited February 12, 2016 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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