ISIS clarification

[Gordon R]

rodp - I believe the Government should be speaking to the leading lights in the Muslim community and asking for their help to identify terrorists / potential terrorists. We should be taking action against hate preachers. We seem to tolerate them to an incredible level. We put them on TV - almost endorsing their right to spread bile. Get them locked up - some serious sentences.

 

Get some programmes on TV illustrating just how stupid the suicide bombers really are. Dispel the myths about the virgins awaiting them. Tighten up on immigration - we throw out the welcome mat to terrorists. If someone goes abroad to fight - block their return. They have made their choice - live with it.

[Bazooka Joe]

I believe the Government should be speaking to the leading lights in the Muslim community and asking for their help to identify terrorists / potential terrorists.

 

 

Do you not think that they already know Gordon, it must be common knowledge among the mosques.

[Gordon R]

I think you may be right. I just don't comprehend why we pussy foot around with them.

 

The US got Capone for tax evasion. We should be looking at these people with a microscope - anything from dropping litter upwards - money laundering, benefits fraud, identity fraud, illegal arms etc.

[rodp]

rodp - I believe the Government should be speaking to the leading lights in the Muslim community and asking for their help to identify terrorists / potential terrorists The government know they won't "grass them up", whether it be race or religion orientated. We should be taking action against hate preachers. We seem to tolerate them to an incredible level. We put them on TV - almost endorsing their right to spread bile. Get them locked up - some serious sentences.Can't do that, the do-gooders will go ballistic and no MP etc wants to be seen to be racist or religious hatred.

 

Get some programmes on TV illustrating just how stupid the suicide bombers really are. Dispel the myths about the virgins awaiting them. Make not the slightest bit of difference, they just will not believe anything put out by westerners Tighten up on immigration - we throw out the welcome mat to terrorists. If someone goes abroad to fight - block their return. They have made their choice - live with it. Good idea, just need to convince the do-gooders and the charities making a good living out of all this.

^^^ So, we all know this just ain't gonna happen, so what's the answer ?

[Gordon R]

rodp - I agree about the do-gooders, but things will get worse if we don't start ignoring them and dishing out genuine deterrent sentences.

 

One of these smart barristers who spend time on the Brexit issue should be digging around to find the most serious charges that could properly be levelled at them - perhaps treason. A stiff warning on cardboard doesn't seem to be working.

 

Can't totally agree about the Muslim community not "grassing them up". I'm sure they don't tell as much as they should but our intelligence services would have us think that there are more "grassed up" in this country than France or Germany. Whether that is true is another matter.

[ditchman]

rodp - I agree about the do-gooders, but things will get worse if we don't start ignoring them and dishing out genuine deterrent sentences.

 

One of these smart barristers who spend time on the Brexit issue should be digging around to find the most serious charges that could properly be levelled at them - perhaps treason. A stiff warning on cardboard doesn't seem to be working.

 

Can't totally agree about the Muslim community not "grassing them up". I'm sure they don't tell as much as they should but our intelligence services would have us think that there are more "grassed up" in this country than France or Germany. Whether that is true is another matter.

 

Didnt Tony Blair repeal that act when in office..........wonder why

[Gordon R]

Just Googled it - still in force.

[ditchman]

Just Googled it - still in force.

 

 

hmmm got that wrong......i know he was responsible for binning some acts which surprised me........when was the last time someone was convicted of treason ...?

[Danger-Mouse]

 

 

hmmm got that wrong......i know he was responsible for binning some acts which surprised me........when was the last time someone was convicted of treason ...?

 

The 1998 Act changed the maximum sentence for treason to life imprisonment.

 

"The last time it was used in the UK was in 1945, to prosecute William Joyce, or Lord Haw-Haw, a Nazi propagandist who had aided and assisted Germany during the second world war by:

 

Broadcasting to the subjects of our Lord the King propaganda on behalf of the said enemies of our Lord the King.”

[UKPoacher]

 

 

hmmm got that wrong......i know he was responsible for binning some acts which surprised me........when was the last time someone was convicted of treason ...?

Lord Haw-Haw aka William Joyce maybe?

[welsh1]

I want it, a lot of people that I know want it. These people that the security services know about should leave their homes one day to go to the shops, then bag over the head and bundled into a van and off on a one way trip to a Guantanamo type facility. Followed by zero publicity and a total denial response to any questions.

 

I don't really care who decides. The level of threat should be encouraging or planning Islamic terrorism. I specify that because it can never be stopped by negotiation, it's about a hatred of us and our way of life.

You become no better than the people you despise.

Also innocent people get caught up and die,take a look at the Philippines where they have declared war on drug pushers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3710940/Harrowing-pictures-brutal-truth-Philippines-war-drugs-s-seen-300-killed-just-one-month-president-ordered-police-bars-ground.html

Edited July 29, 2016 by welsh1

[Gordon R]

welsh1 - I read the news item and wondered how many people took advantage of the "open season" on druggies to settle a few scores.

[Sha Bu Le]

rodp - I believe the Government should be speaking to the leading lights in the Muslim community and asking for their help to identify terrorists / potential terrorists. We should be taking action against hate preachers. We seem to tolerate them to an incredible level. We put them on TV - almost endorsing their right to spread bile. Get them locked up - some serious sentences.

 

Get some programmes on TV illustrating just how stupid the suicide bombers really are. Dispel the myths about the virgins awaiting them. Tighten up on immigration - we throw out the welcome mat to terrorists. If someone goes abroad to fight - block their return. They have made their choice - live with it.

GR

 

Never going to happen until these "leading lights" condemn the terrorists en masse. Not just the odd community leader. As a people they are quick to condemn and demonstrate about the way we lead our lives, the way our women dress and lots of other things. When they turn out on the streets protesting about the vile acts committed by these madmen maybe then their leaders; imams and the like would cooperate with the authorities in identifying radicals.

 

Can't see it ever happening, wonder why???

[toontastic]

GR

 

Never going to happen until these "leading lights" condemn the terrorists en masse. Not just the odd community leader. As a people they are quick to condemn and demonstrate about the way we lead our lives, the way our women dress and lots of other things. When they turn out on the streets protesting about the vile acts committed by these madmen maybe then their leaders; imams and the like would cooperate with the authorities in identifying radicals.

 

Can't see it ever happening, wonder why???

I had family in both enniskillen and omagh on the day of the bombings, I remember well the protests the Christian community had with your family at the forefront.

Many times leading Muslim clerics and the Muslim council of great Britain condemn attacks but you usually find articles about it in the media on page 14.

Many attacks in this country are foiled by Intel from the Muslim community, details of families planning on going to Syria to join isis are passed on.

Many young Muslims serve this country well many in army medical units, yet they are subjected to vile abuse from racists while people like you stand about and do nothing.

[toontastic]

Welsh1 some people are already no better than the people they despise, they talk about gloves off and no mercy. I sometimes think they would happily deal with the Muslim problem the way the serbs did, total barbarity.

[winnie&bezza]

Don't know if anyone saw the very good documentary on tv where the journalist followed hate preachers around in this country for a while but all the way through I kept thinking just bump the little ***** off. No good to man or beast. They were outside mosques preaching hate and the true Muslims were fuming at them. All I can think the police do is put them under surveillance for intelligence.

Edited July 30, 2016 by winnie&bezza

[toontastic]

Don't know if anyone saw the very good documentary on tv where the journalist followed hate preachers around in this country for a while but all the way through I kept thinking just bump the little ***** off. No good to man or beast. They were outside mosques preaching hate and the true Muslims were fuming at them. All I can think the police do is put them under surveillance for intelligence.

Thing is hate preachers are more of a good story for the Daily fail than say "cleric condemns hatred" it's a bit like shooting really. A few years ago bywell hosted a charity day for leukemia reseach as a well known local clay shooter was ill, quite a bit money was raised but no media outlets were interested in covering the story. But I bet if something had gone wrong with the event the media would swamp the place with journalists.

They're not interested in reporting the good side of things only want to stir up anger whether it be preachers or shooting.

[Rewulf]

Thing is hate preachers are more of a good story for the Daily fail than say "cleric condemns hatred" it's a bit like shooting really. A few years ago bywell hosted a charity day for leukemia reseach as a well known local clay shooter was ill, quite a bit money was raised but no media outlets were interested in covering the story. But I bet if something had gone wrong with the event the media would swamp the place with journalists.

They're not interested in reporting the good side of things only want to stir up anger whether it be preachers or shooting.

 

You do realise the media is a business,not a public service ?

They will peddle what sells,not whats good for the community.

 

A lot of what you say is true,but I also speak to people from the muslim community here in Nottingham ,and I can assure you there are plenty of people who support terrorism.

Not perhaps in an active,militant way, but they agree with the principles and mindset of jihadists.

 

Unpalatable as it might sound,there are a lot of immigrants (some 2nd and 3rd gen ) to this country ,that do not agree with our way of life and customs.

I married a very modern,light practicing muslim,she came from a good forward thinking family of very high achievers ,many of them married to westerners , but she simply could not get her head round the fact I had 2 children from a previous relationship,who were born outside of marriage.

The fact that ,to her,they were not 'proper' children led to the rapid decline of our marriage.

Simply put,when you bring different values and customs to your chosen country of residence,you either have to soften or change them,or encapsulate yourself into a ghetto way of thinking along the lines of 'them' and 'us' which is never good.

Edited July 30, 2016 by Rewulf

[Gordon R]

I am sure there are many who support terrorists and their aims. Equally, I am sure that the security services don't have articles in the media highlighting just how much information does come from the Muslim community.

 

It's complicated and getting worse.

 

Simply put,when you bring different values and customs to your chosen country of residence,you either have to soften or change them,or encapsulate yourself into a ghetto way of thinking along the lines of 'them' and 'us' which is never good.

 

 

I cannot argue with this.

[rodp]

 

Simply put,when you bring different values and customs to your chosen country of residence,you either have to soften or change them,or encapsulate yourself into a ghetto way of thinking along the lines of 'them' and 'us' which is never good.

As in "when in Rome" ? Unfortunately it seems to be bred into a lot that Rome will alter to accommodate them, they grow up / come here expecting us to alter our way of life. And when we don't thy get annoyed and start the trouble.

[toontastic]

Yes I do realise the media is a business I used it as an example to show that things do go on that we never hear about. They also print a lot of rubbish I was once first on scene at an ongoing terrorist incident next day I read a report in the press and they told a completely different account of the incident than what actually happened.

As for supporting terrorism there are possibly thousands living in the uk who support republican groups. There are still collections and funds raised in bars up and down the country. Before anyone says republicans aren't the same threat as jihadists I know of two foiled attacks that were going to be vastly bigger than omagh or enniskillen.

[Rewulf]

Yes I do realise the media is a business I used it as an example to show that things do go on that we never hear about. They also print a lot of rubbish I was once first on scene at an ongoing terrorist incident next day I read a report in the press and they told a completely different account of the incident than what actually happened.

As for supporting terrorism there are possibly thousands living in the uk who support republican groups. There are still collections and funds raised in bars up and down the country. Before anyone says republicans aren't the same threat as jihadists I know of two foiled attacks that were going to be vastly bigger than omagh or enniskillen.

 

Tell that to the French.

[toontastic]

 

Tell that to the French.

You know fine well republicans aren't a threat to France at this moment in time, but they are still a major threat to the uk. Just as much a threat as Islamic terror groups.

[teddy boy]

there is no need to make a song and dance about it. just deal with the threat quietly and efficiently. NEVER will the muslim community

give up fellow muslims, whether they be terrorists or, as in most cases just criminals. it matters not a jot saying wake up people. the people of

this country are more than awake,its just the jelly fish in charge that have their heads up their *****.

[toontastic]

there is no need to make a song and dance about it. just deal with the threat quietly and efficiently. NEVER will the muslim community

give up fellow muslims, whether they be terrorists or, as in most cases just criminals. it matters not a jot saying wake up people. the people of

this country are more than awake,its just the jelly fish in charge that have their heads up their *****.

You sound like someone who's well in with his local Muslim community, do you include Muslim members of the armed forces among those who would never give up terrorists, when you suggest dealing with Muslim criminals quietly and efficiently do you also wish to see white Christian criminals dealt with the same way. How would you suggest we deal with them perhaps the Serbian solution to the Muslim problem would be an acceptable method.