BrowningB525 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Let's put this ******* issue to bed once and for all. Let's hire a high speed camera and a shooting range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I use 25 gram #3 in my 12g auto for ducks throw the code black duck up to now i have had one diver out of over 30 ducks shot on the marsh and over my pond plus 3 geese i could"t do that 3-4 years ago with factory chokes and at the ranges i am now killing duck clean in the air. I also could"t get any where near the density in my patterns that i am getting with the code black choke. For what i use the throw my choke for given shooting light duck loads to big 3.5" BBB for geese i have loads that do the job and do the job well it hardly ever comes out the gun only if i am going to use real big shot T or F shot on the shore. But in my opinion they do what it says on the tin and i have two one the way for the 20 bore and will be ordering some for the 10 next year I just don't understand this, one minute people are saying the magic lies in shortening the shot string not the tightness, then the packaging blurb says it because it delivers 70% more energy and now it's the density ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 good video, just shows hoe high the big loads make your gun pattern,dial that out to fifty yards and its easy to miss. Plenty of penetration with whatever carts and shot he was using. I thought the same, if this guy has trouble placing the whole pattern on a static target one can only guess where his shot will end up on a moving one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) I have shot several pigeons with steel, but I wouldn't buy a specific choke to shoot pigeons, and I certainly wouldn't use a choke that's designed with steel shot in mind, if I only used lead. Figgy, were you referencing that rubbish Terror choke video? Of course that's your prerogative motty. I thought i'd try one of these Patternmaster's out of interest. I thought it best to try one after crowman's praise. It does give me options for the odd duck, goose foray with steel shot. Edited October 20, 2016 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I'm torn here ... I have a terror in my 10, and wouldn't be without it. I also know that the two fowlers who kill the most foreshore geese I know, both use factory chokes. My 12g has the factory 1/2 in it (can't get it out )... and it folds stuff up dead as well as. So .. I think aftermarket chokes can help with lethality in certain circumstances ... but really no substitute for getting it in the right place to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) [quote I also know that the two fowlers who kill the most foreshore geese I know, both use factory chokes. 🤔😂 Edited October 20, 2016 by 6.5x55SE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Thought i'd try the Patternmaster pigeon choke but couldn't find enough live ones to make a trip in the field worthwhile. So, I nipped down to Eriswell. I put roughly 120 carts ( mostly Lyalvale Express Power Blue and some Hull Sovereign's ) through the Xtreme. If any of you know Eriswell ( the old Lakenheath ground ) they have some quite nice long targets nowadays. I was really chuffed with the breaks I got ! A lot of stuff was really powdered. I wouldn't want to shoot anything to close with a heavy load. The Xtreme came with three chokes, cylinder, half and full. I'd like to know where this pigeon chokes sits in comparison. Thinking about drawing some 30 inch circles on some old wallpaper ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Did it feel like they were hitting with 70% more energy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Did it feel like they were hitting with 70% more energy ? No more like 82.337% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 No more like 82.337% Good companies always err on the side of caution in case they're accused of misrepresentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Terror Chokes improve hitting power by 91.23%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Good companies always err on the side of caution in case they're accused of misrepresentation. I sometimes get intrigued by a bit of old balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Terror Chokes improve hitting power by 91.23%. Now that has got me interested! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 All this talk of extended range sounds like a lot of sky busting to me I am having the opposite thoughts I am missing to many ducks over decoys at 35 yds with half choke & 36grm steel 4 due to the pattern being to tight considering going to improved cylinder but I think the heavy duty wad will still hold a very tight pattern . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 All this talk of extended range sounds like a lot of sky busting to me I am having the opposite thoughts I am missing to many ducks over decoys at 35 yds with half choke & 36grm steel 4 due to the pattern being to tight considering going to improved cylinder but I think the heavy duty wad will still hold a very tight pattern . Or try using 32grams of Steel 5 shot at that range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 The way to kill wildfowl is to shoot them at sensible ranges. Concentrate on field craft, thats the way to get more birds oin the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 All this talk of extended range sounds like a lot of sky busting to me I am having the opposite thoughts I am missing to many ducks over decoys at 35 yds with half choke & 36grm steel 4 due to the pattern being to tight considering going to improved cylinder but I think the heavy duty wad will still hold a very tight pattern . I wouldn't have thought that half choke at that range would be too tight. You obviously just weren't accurate enough. I use extra full more and more these days. I missed some close ducks this morning with that choking. Obviously the pattern is pretty tight, but I simply wasn't accurate enough. Once I sorted my aim out I was knocking a few ducks down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 I have tried 32 grm 5 but even that is very tight ( the pattern can bee seen on the water ) and Motty is quite right if I could put this pattern on a teal it would go no where my problem is I am not that good and need a bit more spread even in the good old lead days I killed more with a skeet gun . I had a wigeon come in a bit wide the other day and at 45 yards half choke pole axed it but like Scolopax I belive in getting them in close they can sure get out quick when they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 All this talk of extended range sounds like a lot of sky busting to me I am having the opposite thoughts I am missing to many ducks over decoys at 35 yds with half choke & 36grm steel 4 due to the pattern being to tight considering going to improved cylinder but I think the heavy duty wad will still hold a very tight pattern . Tighter chokes for me results in more dead birds than cripples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 I have purchased a code black goose for my xtreame 2 and will be using it for the first time next week but last weekend I bagged a nice canada shot at around 45yds using beretta 1/4 choke 36gms 3s so wondered why I brought the code black lol only time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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