old man Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Sorry but don't see the delay in issuing certificates and his stupidity in not keeping his end of the bargain by not renewing his own certificate are linked in anyway? Just seems like arrogance and abuse of position to me? He can't have been bothered that much in my opinion as the one thing I keep track of is my expiry date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Have I missed something? I can't see any mention of a renewal reminder. Did he get one, did Somerset slip up on this occasion or is it their policy not to send them out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 He had very good chance to 3xplain 4hat the licence fees had already Doubled and nothing had changed. Bit like the NHS,You can throw as much money as you like at it,first off they giv3 them selves a pay rise and a pat on the back,,As for they have other things to do.. It is not the actual police force that issues them,they are civilians doing the job who have access to the police computor system to do the checks..Even the FEO is a civilian.. Its the old cry,,We do not pay enough,,Why do they not just extend the 5 years to 10.. It would not stop anyone running amok as 5 years has proved.. It's Called being on the ball.. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Have I missed something? I can't see any mention of a renewal reminder. Did he get one, did Somerset slip up on this occasion or is it their policy not to send them out? Yes, Wymberley; he was in fact sent a reminder but apparently forgot to send it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Yes, Wymberley; he was in fact sent a reminder but apparently forgot to send it in. Thanks, Scully. There's only one place to lay the blame, then, so it's no good him kicking up stink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Lol... welcome to the real world Mr Liddell-Grainger !! Checking the expiry date & diarising it should not be beyond the wit of an MP and his office. I am sure many gamekeepers & professionals who use guns will know when to renew their certificates. And there's no need to miss the season if you borrow a shotgun from the occupier & use it in his presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 We are all going about this the wrong way. Rather than being outraged at the incredulity of his response we should be writing to him expressing our similar experiences and asking how we might support him in fixing the system for all our sakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 We are all going about this the wrong way. Rather than being outraged at the incredulity of his response we should be writing to him expressing our similar experiences and asking how we might support him in fixing the system for all our sakes. By the time we got the answer it would be too late? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) We are all going about this the wrong way. Rather than being outraged at the incredulity of his response we should be writing to him expressing our similar experiences and asking how we might support him in fixing the system for all our sakes. Well said that man. Mr LG has just been interviewed on our local TV news and he quite rightly points out that 16 weeks is an unacceptable renewal turnaround time whatever the circumstances. I will write to him now. ianliddellgrainger@hotmail.co.uk Edited December 13, 2016 by CharlieT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 We are all going about this the wrong way. Rather than being outraged at the incredulity of his response we should be writing to him expressing our similar experiences and asking how we might support him in fixing the system for all our sakes. Fair points and well made, but it would grate on me to negotiate with someone who had tried to use his position for personal gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Fair points and well made, but it would grate on me to negotiate with someone who had tried to use his position for personal gain. Oh, I don't know. I've tried to use mine for the same purpose in the past to little avail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Fair points and well made, but it would grate on me to negotiate with someone who had tried to use his position for personal gain. Me too but sometimes we have to stick together despite our differences, too often do we fail to unite for the common good. With the greatest of respect I feel this is an instance where despite his lapse of form we should gather together. I have written to the chap offering any assistance he may need to help improve the system, and I implore my shooting peers to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Me too but sometimes we have to stick together despite our differences, too often do we fail to unite for the common good. With the greatest of respect I feel this is an instance where despite his lapse of form we should gather together. I have written to the chap offering any assistance he may need to help improve the system, and I implore my shooting peers to do the same. Again; I agree, to a point, but I'm afraid his attempted actions are one of the reasons I detest politicians with a passion. If he hadn't tried to use his position then I could have helped, but like I said, it would nark the hell out of me for doing so. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 We are all going about this the wrong way. Rather than being outraged at the incredulity of his response we should be writing to him expressing our similar experiences and asking how we might support him in fixing the system for all our sakes. Well said that man. Mr LG has just been interviewed on our local TV news and he quite rightly points out that 16 weeks is an unacceptable renewal turnaround time whatever the circumstances. I will write to him now. ianliddellgrainger@hotmail.co.uk Two posts make sense but for one thing. If he had sent his renewal and was told 16 weeks, he'd (we) would be dealing from a position of strength. As it is, playing the devi's advocate, Somerset could quite rightly come back and say, well, what do expect when we've got to waste time chasing around after people who can't manage to do what they should either. His (our) position is now considerably weakened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Two posts make sense but for one thing. If he had sent his renewal and was told 16 weeks, he'd (we) would be dealing from a position of strength. As it is, playing the devi's advocate, Somerset could quite rightly come back and say, well, what do expect when we've got to waste time chasing around after people who can't manage to do what they should either. His (our) position is now considerably weakened. I can't see the relevance? Whether he had sent his renewal in on time or not, would make no difference to the turnaround time!......the clock starts ticking when the police receive his renewal application!.......so it's fair to assume, the delay for all renewals in his police area is circa 16 weeks?.................Which is abysmal service! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 If you make a mistake, just shut up and live with it. I think it was 4 weeks for my last renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Again; I agree, to a point, but I'm afraid his attempted actions are one of the reasons I detest politicians with a passion. If he hadn't tried to use his position then I could have helped, but like I said, it would nark the hell out of me for doing so. Sorry. True, though sadly I fear we may be waiting some time for an entirely honourable honourable politician to pursue our cause. In the mean time I'll take whatever we can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 True, though sadly I fear we may be waiting some time for an entirely honourable honourable politician to pursue our cause. In the mean time I'll take whatever we can get.Entirely fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) He was on the local news, he accepted that he was at fault by forgetting but was not happy that it was 16 weeks to wait. News papers are typed up by people trying to sell. So they add to the story and miss quote.. He clearly said in person to a news reporter that he accepts he was in wrong by forgetting. But was not happy with 16weeks. I know of variations taking that long here in the avs region, grants taking longer. I know the team that does the work and they are stretched... the only way you might speed the process up is with extra staff but that isnt guaranteed. Edited December 14, 2016 by ShootingEgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 It is nothing to do with staffing levels, the police do not wish to lose the funding and control they get from firearm licensing, they would rather make its customers wait months unnecessarily than relinquish this income and control! The answer is simple.....10 year (or preferably lifelong) licences....costs at least halved in terms of admin....same number of staff doing half the work......result, licence holder gets renewal/grant in acceptable timescale. But that too simple for the empire protecting chief officers of police! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 It is nothing to do with staffing levels, the the police do not wish to lose the funding and control they get from firearm licensing,y would rather make its customers wait months unnecessarily than relinquish this income and control! The answer is simple.....10 year (or preferably lifelong) licences....costs at least halved in terms of admin....same number of staff doing half the work......result, licence holder gets renewal/grant in acceptable timescale. But that too simple for the empire protecting chief officers of police! My point exactly. And in order to side step there own inefficiencies (not to mention their own little additional requirements above and beyond that formally required) which result in the delays under discussion, they will put the blame for this on the mistakes, omissions or whatever made by their customers wherever or whenever possible should they get backed into a corner while attempting to defend themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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