Rupert Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Regarding fake Rolexes, they are freely advertised on Gumtree, etc. for typically £75, £140 & £400 and are clearly advertised as Rolexes. 1. If they're fakes how come it's possible to advertise them in UK? Surely Rolex don't actually make 1/20 - 1/10 value copies of their own watches? 2. What's the difference, if any, between the differently priced options? Some are advertised as Swiss automatic movements, some aren't. Nobody to police it, just like hookey T shirts and handbags. A premium watch is sold for much more than the sum of its parts, the cachet of desirability and the product of marketing. Many movements may be Swiss but not all are good or have a huge marketing budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Buze i like the Longines Evidenza chrono with moon phase but its a lot for a watch that is made by Swatch, bit like the new Mercedes pick up truck ids a Nissan Navara. Actually I have an evidenza chronograph (non moon phase) its fantastic. Really uncommon shape, lovely domed crystal. As for swatch, they saved the Swiss (and global) watch industry, can't blame them.. it's like resenting India's owners for a range rover.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Regarding fake Rolexes, they are freely advertised on Gumtree, etc. for typically £75, £140 & £400 and are clearly advertised as Rolexes. 1. If they're fakes how come it's possible to advertise them in UK? Surely Rolex don't actually make 1/20 - 1/10 value copies of their own watches? 2. What's the difference, if any, between the differently priced options? Some are advertised as Swiss automatic movements, some aren't. Well the game market is indeed in 3 slices. The really cheap ones have a **** Chinese movement held by plastic, and horrible finish. Grade 2 had better finish and we'll look like perhaps 95% of the watch, but likely, also a Chinese movement. Still a reasonably priced watch, considering... The higher grade will very likely have an ETA genuine movement, and we'll be very, very close in terms of finish and details to the real thing... I mean, uncanny. Still a copy, but I've seen a few, and you have to marvel at the level of work that goes into these, considering the price. Personally, I went for grade 2 ones, because I bought them to try the bulk/size and colours, I was not out to fool anyone. In fact I'm quite happy to tell people they are Chinese, because they are quite amazing for the price! Still wear the chinomega (as I call it) when I do rough jobs, it's pretty good! In fact (hate to say that) it keeps better time overall than the real 5k one For example, the bracelet on the fake Rolex I got is *vastly* superior to most genuine bracelets I've seen anywhere on real watches. And that did cost me like 80 quid shipped from China. That bracelet is CNC machined steel, not pressed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 How does that work then ? Why would I want to buy a watch for a grand that I might be able to sell for two grand a few years later ? Seriously? You are a funny one alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Seriously? You are a funny one alright Why ? I really don't get it. You like buying second hand watches which might rise in value, I don't , for a number of reasons not least of which is I am simply not comfortable wearing second hand items that began life being treasured and held close by others, I also cannot see how I'd even like the style of a cheapo Rolex. There are one or two I do like but if I'm honest I just don't subscribe to the image Rolex portrays. If you're that concerned with making a grand (or three even) when buying watches then it stands to reason you'll be choosing based on likelihood of future value ! Maybe my life is not quite so fussed about these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 Each to their own. I must be strange in that I want to collect something or spend a lot of money somewhere I'd like to see it back and if I'm lucky make a return. I live in a second hand house and one day when I want to move I'd like to sell it for more than I paid for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) Made you I do quite fancy a Rolex Milgauss.Have you seen the Titan black Milgaus? OMG that is stunning! http://titanblack.co.uk/collection/rolex/rolex-milgauss Envy is my favourite mmmmmmmmm Mmmmmmmm Edited December 16, 2016 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 ... The higher grade will very likely have an ETA genuine movement, and we'll be very, very close in terms of finish and details to the real thing... I mean, uncanny. Still a copy, but I've seen a few, and you have to marvel at the level of work that goes into these, considering the price. Which begs the question, is the copy actually worth £5K? Or is the original only worth £400? Like you, I'd go for the £170 fake and not try to hide it. China put out a Soki automatic watch at £8 including postage. OK the case/strap is garbage but it keep moderate time (same as a Rolex)and from 6 ft it looks just like one, makes you think, doesn't it. Who knows, in 5 years it may be worth £15! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 Well the game market is indeed in 3 slices. The really cheap ones have a **** Chinese movement held by plastic, and horrible finish. Grade 2 had better finish and we'll look like perhaps 95% of the watch, but likely, also a Chinese movement. Still a reasonably priced watch, considering... The higher grade will very likely have an ETA genuine movement, and we'll be very, very close in terms of finish and details to the real thing... I mean, uncanny. Still a copy, but I've seen a few, and you have to marvel at the level of work that goes into these, considering the price. Personally, I went for grade 2 ones, because I bought them to try the bulk/size and colours, I was not out to fool anyone. In fact I'm quite happy to tell people they are Chinese, because they are quite amazing for the price! Still wear the chinomega (as I call it) when I do rough jobs, it's pretty good! In fact (hate to say that) it keeps better time overall than the real 5k one For example, the bracelet on the fake Rolex I got is *vastly* superior to most genuine bracelets I've seen anywhere on real watches. And that did cost me like 80 quid shipped from China. That bracelet is CNC machined steel, not pressed! Where did you get the grade 2 or 3 roles and how much? I'm tempted to get one to wind up the brother in law now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 We bought my wife 2 Tag watches from an authorised dealer while on holiday near Fethiye on different occasions, in the same mall a respectable looking shop specialised in selling better grade fakes and I well remember chatting to an English family who were trying to buy their son a fashionable expensive name brand but which was being sold as grade one and said to be fully waterproof and near indistinguishable for £400. The owner spoke good English and had many regular customers from all over the world and he told me his best seller was a ladies gold Rolex for around £500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromwell7 Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 Which begs the question, is the copy actually worth £5K? Or is the original only worth £400? Like you, I'd go for the £170 fake and not try to hide it. China put out a Soki automatic watch at £8 including postage. OK the case/strap is garbage but it keep moderate time (same as a Rolex)and from 6 ft it looks just like one, makes you think, doesn't it. Who knows, in 5 years it may be worth £15! The copy won't be 904l stainless, it won't have a genuine oyster case, it won't have a decent scratch resistant crystal, so no the copy isn't worth 5k and if both watches were unbranded using the original manufacturing techniques and materials the Rolex would still be worth more. I've held a copy and genuine sub side by side and you can tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 The copy won't be 904l stainless, it won't have a genuine oyster case, it won't have a decent scratch resistant crystal, so no the copy isn't worth 5k and if both watches were unbranded using the original manufacturing techniques and materials the Rolex would still be worth more. I've held a copy and genuine sub side by side and you can tell the difference. Point taken but how often does anyone get to see both together? Where did you get the grade 2 or 3 roles and how much? I'm tempted to get one to wind up the brother in law now lol Try Gumtree but I'd suggest collection in person not mail order or you'll get the grade 1! Prices? See earlier posts. We bought my wife 2 Tag watches from an authorised dealer while on holiday near Fethiye on different occasions, in the same mall a respectable looking shop specialised in selling better grade fakes and I well remember chatting to an English family who were trying to buy their son a fashionable expensive name brand but which was being sold as grade one and said to be fully waterproof and near indistinguishable for £400. The owner spoke good English and had many regular customers from all over the world and he told me his best seller was a ladies gold Rolex for around £500. I remember many years ago in Turkey they were selling fake Rolexes, etc. for £5. They had to put a sign up warning the thick Brits that these were not genuine and were not waterproof, they'd had that many complaints. For £5! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 I have nothing against people buying these things to collect them or for an investment but to use it every day mostly for show it like people buy very expensive super sports cars and use them to drive to work every day what is the point except to say look at me I have got something that you cannot afford to have. Do not confuse that with people having a big comfortable car to commute there you get some benefit with comfy seats and smooth running making the drive much nicer but to use a 160+mph car to drive to work mostly in 30 to 50 mph zones makes no sense to me keep it for the weekend or track days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromwell7 Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 I have nothing against people buying these things to collect them or for an investment but to use it every day mostly for show it like people buy very expensive super sports cars and use them to drive to work every day what is the point except to say look at me I have got something that you cannot afford to have. Do not confuse that with people having a big comfortable car to commute there you get some benefit with comfy seats and smooth running making the drive much nicer but to use a 160+mph car to drive to work mostly in 30 to 50 mph zones makes no sense to me keep it for the weekend or track days. Why not wear a luxury watch every day? Not everyone is that bothered about what other people think. I think it's a nice idea to wear something like that everyday it's a reminder to how hard you have worked. Let's be realistic how much is a sub or a date just now £5.5k-£6k ? these watches are aspirations for the working-middle class not a sign of wealth or "look at me" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 My everyday watch is my TAG, I don't own another working watch, it's not silly expensive but would cost enough to replace, I bought/wear it as I always wanted a white faced TAG not because I wanted to say ooh look at me, Back in the late 80's I spent £300 on a Seiko World Timer, again not because I wanted to say ooh look at me (late 80's £300 was a lot to spend on a watch for me) but because I saw a picture of it on the back of a magazine and really liked it If I could afford it I would have either a Rolex/Breitling as an everyday watch depending on model, again because I like them. I don't get the negative comments about owning nice watches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 I recently visited one of the poorer areas of Portsmouth. And, boy, there are some poor areas of Portsmouth but that's another story. There in a pawn shop window was a Rolex. Ah-ha, thought I, here's a chance to get a cheap Rolex. Well, at £5.5K was I ever wrong. What the hell was that doing there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) I don't get the negative comments about owning nice watches Nor me. I guess some folk thing its a waste or frivolous, i think kids are superfluous, maybe the two are connected. Edited December 17, 2016 by Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 Nor me. I guess some folk thing its a waste or frivolous, i think kids are superfluous, maybe the two are connected. I would rather have a nice watch than kids......blooming awful things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 I would rather have a nice watch than kids......blooming awful things Word! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 I would rather have a nice watch than kids......blooming awful things Especially as the cost of kids tends to preclude the purchase of decent watches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) The copy won't be 904l stainless, it won't have a genuine oyster case, it won't have a decent scratch resistant crystal, so no the copy isn't worth 5k and if both watches were unbranded using the original manufacturing techniques and materials the Rolex would still be worth more. I've held a copy and genuine sub side by side and you can tell the difference. There are copies and there are "copies". I bought a Submariner (copy) to see if i liked it and i can assure you that you would not be able to tell the difference (unless you took the back off) it even has the holographic sticker on the back. I have spent hours comparing this and an orriginal and there is NO difference! i have even put them on some scales and they are the same! I have not tested, if it is waterproof or scratch resistant glass. i bought it from Luxugifts.ru (think its closed down now??) Paid by C/Card as i was a bit weary. After a month it didn't arrive! I emailed the company, no response!! Contacted the bank, who refunded me the €130. Two weeks later the watch arrived? ? I emailed the company to let them know and to ask how to re-make the payment. They did not respond??? So i have a really good FREE copy. (this site http://www.foreverwatches.to/search.html looks identical to the Luxugifts one) Edit: when the watch did not arrive, i did some digging and although the website .ru appeared to be Russian, the payment etc was made to GUANGZHOU in China. Edited December 17, 2016 by silver pigeon69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Especially as the cost of kids tends to preclude the purchase of decent watches. And they have little second hand value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 I don't get the negative comments about owning nice watches Exactly. Doesn't make sense to me either. Why would you come on a thread about watches if you aren't interested? Simple solution is if you don't want one, don't buy one. Sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 You have to laugh. We're all grown ups and have the measure of it I'm sure ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) No mechanical watch will keep as good time as a £10.00 Casio. Lets face it its all just wrist jewelry for men. yep. some women have loads of shoes and dresses. I doesn't make them any happier though.£10 Casio! Your paying as much as that? Edited December 18, 2016 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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