Sxs double trigger

[scobydog]

Asking on my mates behalf, is it possible to convert a left handed trigger set to right hand or do you have to buy a new right hand trigger set,

it was his dad's gun and he wants to keep it but is right handed and his dad was a lefty. Ambidextrous stock and the safety is set to fire the same barrel first every time. If anyone has done this or knows if it can be done pls could you explain how to do it. Gun has no real value except sentimental, he does shoot ok with it but thinks if the triggers can be moved it would improve his hit rate.

 

 

Thanks in advance Scobydog

Edited February 4, 2017 by scobydog

[JohnfromUK]

The actual shape of the trigger itself is usually 'handed' on double trigger guns (but often not on single trigger guns). By this I mean that the shape filed in the metal making the trigger is shaped to suit left (or right) hand operation in the finger contact area. It is possible that they could be re-shaped, but I doubt it - there is usually not much metal there. My guess is that it could be done by replacement parts, but would probably be sufficiently expensive to be uneconomic.

 

If it is a common 'basic' gun (e.g. an AyA), it may be possible (with some small adjustment) to fit a similar assembly from another right handed gun ....... if for example you can find one with damaged barrels cheap, but it's a bit of a long shot.

 

True left handed guns often have the opening lever going the opposite way as well and the front and rear trigger assemblies set the opposite way round (convention is the front trigger mounted on the right). Spanish (and high grade English ) guns also have a 'rolled edge' on the finger side of the trigger guard.

[scobydog]

Thanks for the reply John, never thought about trigger shape, it is a very old Belgian sxs so parts may be difficult to get hold of, i'll go tomorrow and have a look at it.

 

 

S

[JohnfromUK]

If it's an old Belgian gun, I rather suspect that whilst it might be technically possible (most things are), the cost would be prohibitive and more than the value of the gun.

 

The exception would be if it was a very high grade gun, but the vast majority of Belgian guns were inexpensive guns when new, and command little price as used old examples. High grade Belgian guns are very much the exception.

Edited February 4, 2017 by JohnfromUK

[bruno22rf]

I'm confused....how can the safety determine which tube fires first on a SxS with 2 triggers? + If he shoots the gun left handed then what's the problem?...the front trigger still fires the right hand barrel and the small offset that the rear trigger has is unlikely to get in the way unless he wears a glove? All my SxS's are right handed but shot from the left shoulder.

[JohnfromUK]

I'm confused....how can the safety determine which tube fires first on a SxS with 2 triggers? + If he shoots the gun left handed then what's the problem?...the front trigger still fires the right hand barrel and the small offset that the rear trigger has is unlikely to get in the way unless he wears a glove? All my SxS's are right handed but shot from the left shoulder.

I understood the situation to be that it is a gun with the triggers set for left handed operation, but the new owner (the previous owner's son) is right handed. I think it would be usable, and like you, don't think the safety catch has any bearing on the issue. My assumption was that the triggers are shaped for the left hand, and so may be uncomfortable to operate. It may even be a 'full' left handed gun with the front trigger operating the left barrel, and the opening lever moving left to open. I am a little surprised that it is 'ambidextrous' in fit - as side by sides are usually cast to at least some degree.

[Gunman]

OK have the triggers been reversed ie. the front fires left ?If so then this needs to be checked to see if they can be reversed , not usualy a problem but may need a little tinkering . As to the set it is possible to have the triggers altered so that they will suit .It will entail heating up and twisting them to the desired set . They will not be perfect dependent on the thickness of the metal but an experienced guy can get them to be pretty close . Probobly a couple of hours work at most . Comments about AyA's bear in mind that the front trigger is often articulated so this cause problems and they can not be swopped over .

Edited February 4, 2017 by Gunman

[JohnfromUK]

Comments about AyA's bear in mind that the front trigger is often articulated so this cause problems and they can not be swopped over .

I think that only applies to the more expensive AyA models; No 1, No 2 and and I think XXV sidelock have articulated, but I don't think any of the boxlocks (except possibly the "Best Quality boxlock and XXV boxlock?) do. Certainly my No 3 doesn't have it, nor did a Yeoman I once owned.

[scobydog]

I'm confused....how can the safety determine which tube fires first on a SxS with 2 triggers? + If he shoots the gun left handed then what's the problem?...the front trigger still fires the right hand barrel and the small offset that the rear trigger has is unlikely to get in the way unless he wears a glove? All my SxS's are right handed but shot from the left shoulder.

Hi Bruno, what I meant with the safety is unlike my o/u it only goes forward and backward you cannot move it side to side to swap which barrel you want to fire first, hope this helps. His dad shot left handed and he shoots right handed. The stock is definitely straight with no cast. I will check if it opens left and fires left barrel 1st when I see my mate tomorrow. Thanks for all the replies

[Westley]

Is it possible to clarify a few points please ?

 

Is it fitted with 1 or 2 triggers ?

 

What make is it ? (Some guns had a single/double trigger system fitted)

 

Thanks

 

Edited after seeing title again !.

Edited February 4, 2017 by Westley

[kennett]

Hi Bruno, what I meant with the safety is unlike my o/u it only goes forward and backward you cannot move it side to side to swap which barrel you want to fire first, hope this helps. His dad shot left handed and he shoots right handed. The stock is definitely straight with no cast. I will check if it opens left and fires left barrel 1st when I see my mate tomorrow. Thanks for all the replies

That's because it's double trigger, you decide which barrel fires depending on which trigger you pull 1st, so a selective safety, like you have on your single trigger o/u is pointless

[panoma1]

Anythings possible.....at a price!.....it's whether it's financially viable?.....and whether you want it bad enough?.....and can afford it?

 

The answer to the first question is probably no.....the other two only you can answer!

[Wb123]

Im not sure i understand this.

 

All the side by sides i have seen have the right barrel on the front trigger and the left barrel on the rear trigger back and left from the front one. They are made this way because god shoots left handed and this arrangement gets you on the back trigger much more easily after firing the front. To use it right handed would mean having to get the finger round the back of the front trigger, whilst not the end if the world, especially with a sprung trigger, it doesnt feel as easy.

 

I understood this to be convention favouring the left handed shooter, not a common variable. Wabbitbosher has a theory that the traditional sbs layout was designed by a lefty which having gone from right to left handed shooting i suspect may be true.

 

Looking at my sbs the front trigger fires the right barrel, the back fires the left, both are curved to hug the index finger for left handed use, the stock is cast for left handed use, but it has a top lever opening when pushed to the right.

 

Bar some very very very expensive items everything available i have seen has the top lever going to the right on an otherwise left handed gun. (Interestingly i find pushing the lever as per left hand much easier on a tight action than as per right hand use).

 

How is the gun in question arranged and what does the owner want to change?

[Gunman]

1 most SxS guns are made with the front trigger fires right , back trigger fires left . Right barrel open choke , left tighter .

2 Some guns were built for driven game with the triggers st so front trigger fired the left choked barrel first . These were made in very few numbers so it is hardly relevant and it would have been simpler to just bore the choke in reverse . But Gunmakers were a traditional lot .

3 Most conventional SxS guns were set up for the right handed shooter and the triggers were filed in such a way that can best be described as canted so the finger could easily slip off the front trigger onto the back trigger .

4 Guns that were custom built for a left handed shooter had the cant on the triggers filed the opposite way .

5 if the gun is indeed a "standard" Belgian SxS then the chances are that all that has been done to it is that the stock has been cast to suit a left hander .

 

I would suggest to Sobydog that he takes the gun to a gunsmith who will be able to tell him what he wants to know in a couple of minutes .

[fortune]

There is a lot of confusion on this thread. Reading through this lot I take it that the gun is a standard double trigger SBS. In which case the safety only goes back and forward. The shooter decides which barrel is to be fired by pulling the relevant trigger. This is not anything to do with the safety. Is this thread a wind up? Not April the first is it?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

There is a lot of confusion on this thread. Reading through this lot I take it that the gun is a standard double trigger SBS. In which case the safety only goes back and forward. The shooter decides which barrel is to be fired by pulling the relevant trigger. This is not anything to do with the safety. Is this thread a wind up? Not April the first is it?

 

I have refrained from posting due to this.

[jonny thomas]

I shoot a r/h aya left handed triggers seem ambidextrous to me

[Gunman]

Actually and I have no doubt I will get some stick for saying it , but it goes to show how little some shooters really know about guns ,there construction ,function and and design .The original question was quite straightforward and has been answered by myself and others .

 

If there is any doubt a competent gunsmith on examination can say yes or no it two minutes .