saddler Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 What a mess all of these rules are. I don't reload and this thread is a bit of an eye opener. Comment is made of things about o change. Does anyone know the proposals for change or when proposals are due? A quick look on Google would provide those answers. The change will be that sporting rifle bullets will revert back to normal status = no section 5 "hunting bullets" on fac, no fac conditions or storage limits, etc. That'll mean they can be purchased mail order too. Again, like they'd ALWAYS been! Pistol bullets of this design will remain section 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 A quick look on Google would provide those answers. The change will be that sporting rifle bullets will revert back to normal status = no section 5 "hunting bullets" on fac, no fac conditions or storage limits, etc. That'll mean they can be purchased mail order too. Again, like they'd ALWAYS been! Pistol bullets of this design will remain section 5 Bu****! I wonder what that will mean for bullets that fit both rifle and pistol, you could end up with .22lr hollow points as s5 but .308 ballistic tipped not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Bu****! I wonder what that will mean for bullets that fit both rifle and pistol, you could end up with .22lr hollow points as s5 but .308 ballistic tipped not The clue is in the name! .22lr = 22 long rifle 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) The clue is in the name! .22lr = 22 long rifle yeah, the same as I used in my .22lr chambered pistol In fairness it won't make any real difference to me as I don't reload pistol calibers and have got expanding condition them anyway Edited March 28, 2017 by bluesj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 From shooting news Exactly what this fudge will mean in practice is unclear, given that so-called pistol cartridges are widely used in rifles (i.e. carbines). It may be that the expanding ammo “ban” is effectively repealed by this provision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy1950 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Bu****! I wonder what that will mean for bullets that fit both rifle and pistol, you could end up with .22lr hollow points as s5 but .308 ballistic tipped not The .22 Long rifle is an assembled cartridge so will always count in your overall holding. The 308 ballistic tip is a bullet and in the future will not be required to be shown on your holding allowance unless it`s assembled into a cartridge. IE case, primer, powder and bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 yeah, the same as I used in my .22lr chambered pistol I've seen .308 Winchester pistols. Your point is? The CARTRIDGE DESIGNATION is the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Quoting some literature received from Gloucestershire police firearms just last week with a moderator variation. 'Expanding ammunition (and the head {projectiles} of this ammunition) is prohibited ammunition and may only be held with the approval of The secretary of State OR by virtue of the above Conditions on their certificate. Those certificate holders having these Conditions who undertake home loading of ammunition must realise that the quantity of ammunition permitted to be held also includes the loose expanding heads (projectiles) within the permitted totals in addition to fully made up rounds of expanding ammunition. Those authorised expanding ammunition and acquire expanding heads for the purposes of home loading MUST ensure expanding head acquisitions are entered on Table 2 of the firearm certificate.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 The .22 Long rifle is an assembled cartridge so will always count in your overall holding. The 308 ballistic tip is a bullet and in the future will not be required to be shown on your holding allowance unless it`s assembled into a cartridge. IE case, primer, powder and bullet. I've seen .308 Winchester pistols. Your point is? The CARTRIDGE DESIGNATION is the issue. My point is (not very well made) ether do away with the S5 restriction altogether or only have full rounds count towards your hold limit and down grade S5 bullets a bit so they can be posted, ether would help everyone that uses S5 ammo but the way it looks like its going will just make more confusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 when i got my 204 variation at end of last year the feo dept phoned me to ask if i was going to reload like with my .222 i said yes so he advised that i change my hold limit from what it was 150 hold to hold 150 rounds and 300 missiles of each so the unmade expanding ammo was covered thats Beds Herts and Cambs colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 I asked for 500 243/223 on my last variation and was refused. The feo asked why do I need that many? I said I reload . His reply was it's only a round when complete. Bullets don't count on your allowance. He gave me 300 and said " I'm not going to count them " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinburgh Rifles Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 There is no legal requirement to demonstrate usage or frequency of use doing so and insisting on keeping logs is making a rod for your own back I have had this discussion with FEO some of whom do not even know the law they propose to enforce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Quoting some literature received from Gloucestershire police firearms just last week with a moderator variation. 'Expanding ammunition (and the head {projectiles} of this ammunition) is prohibited ammunition and may only be held with the approval of The secretary of State OR by virtue of the above Conditions on their certificate. Those certificate holders having these Conditions who undertake home loading of ammunition must realise that the quantity of ammunition permitted to be held also includes the loose expanding heads (projectiles) within the permitted totals in addition to fully made up rounds of expanding ammunition. Those authorised expanding ammunition and acquire expanding heads for the purposes of home loading MUST ensure expanding head acquisitions are entered on Table 2 of the firearm certificate.' Its amazing all the different ideas various police forces come up with, if my force sends me the above info then does this make it law, hard to believe it with so many conflicting views ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Its amazing all the different ideas various police forces come up with, if my force sends me the above info then does this make it law, hard to believe it with so many conflicting views ? As far as i can remember the law on S5 bullets is quite straight forward ( can't remember the wording and can't be bothered to look it up) so I can't see why there are so many different views from feo's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 As far as i can remember the law on S5 bullets is quite straight forward ( can't remember the wording and can't be bothered to look it up) so I can't see why there are so many different views from feo's Fireman &/or PC Plod... Jobs to apply for if you got 0 CSE's apart from a grade 4 woodwork. (or USED to be, not that a graduate intake is indicative of grey matter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 I spoke to basc today and they said s5 ammo won't exist from the 2nd may. You'll be able to mail order it and not have to lock it up apparently as an unmade form. He did say tho that the police won't be very happy if it's not locked up. I only rang to ask about storing my powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted March 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Nice roll on 2nd of May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I asked the other week for 1000 17 hornet expanding and had a nice surprise when my license came back with 1000 on it.I only asked as its not very often local frd as them in so its a good ride out to fetch them for reloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I spoke to basc today and they said s5 ammo won't exist from the 2nd may. You'll be able to mail order it and not have to lock it up apparently as an unmade form. He did say tho that the police won't be very happy if it's not locked up. I only rang to ask about storing my powder. Did they tell you your powder has to be in locked wooden box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) I asked for 500 243/223 on my last variation and was refused. The feo asked why do I need that many? I said I reload . His reply was it's only a round when complete. Bullets don't count on your allowance. He gave me 300 and said " I'm not going to count them " he's told you wrong then. I got told the same until countryman told me different. I then questioned it to be told they were wrong so I asked for it in writing.... they back tracked and come back saying they had given me wrong info and they were right. it was the office girls who told me wrong. I've had mine upped to 600 for all my c/f rifles a box of 100 expanding bullets count as part of your total amount whether loaded into a case or not.... All will be better on may 2nd if that's the date the new law comes into force. ps just a thought the new computer systems at the shops does this not log who they sell ammo and powders too. does this notify the firearms dept when you buy ammo? Did they tell you your powder has to be in locked wooden box that's just you my flo saw all mine other week and never said a thing Edited March 30, 2017 by SPARKIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Did they tell you your powder has to be in locked wooden box that's just you my flo saw all mine other week and never said a thing Its HSA law but you feo should have told you about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Wooden 18mm ply box that's lockable. Basc said this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Wooden 18mm ply box that's lockable. Basc said thisThink you should knock some up Nath he's told you wrong then. I got told the same until countryman told me different. I then questioned it to be told they were wrong so I asked for it in writing.... they back tracked and come back saying they had given me wrong info and they were right. it was the office girls who told me wrong. I've had mine upped to 600 for all my c/f rifles a box of 100 expanding bullets count as part of your total amount whether loaded into a case or not.... All will be better on may 2nd if that's the date the new law comes into force. ps just a thought the new computer systems at the shops does this not log who they sell ammo and powders too. does this notify the firearms dept when you buy ammo? that's just you my flo saw all mine other week and never said a thing I have been telling you about this for a while now, but you don't listen, you know the flo that came to yours was, well better not say Edited March 30, 2017 by reggiegun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I'll add the 18mm box to the order shall I ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) I'll add the 18mm box to the order shall I ? Yes please, did he stay about how they need sectioning off for different tubs Edited March 30, 2017 by reggiegun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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