Daveo26 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) Some of you may have read my post about consistent.22lr round. I had high expectations of a couple of brands RWS being one and Eley being the other. The RWS performed well in my gun but the Eley was another story. They grouped badly and out of all the brands I tested Eley was the only one to malfunction. I've been out tonight to plot the trajectory to my particular rifle with winnie's and afterwards I decided to use up the remaining 35 Eley subs just plinking. So out of the single box of 50 I had 2 failure to fire and 6......... SIX very low powered rounds that hit the ground before the target. A fault with the gun you might think? No so it performs perfectly with any other brand. Normal for .22LR you might think? Since buying the gun a few weeks back I've shot over 500 rounds through it and had 0 malfunctions with any other brand. The worst of it is how badly the (UN)burnt powder smells with the Eleys. Never again! Edited May 13, 2017 by Daveo26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I have a box that seem ok. Struggling to get some cci subs to group at all though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Dave, Group wise you will find that's the norm with just about every rifle you pick up. As for the miss fire then that may actually be your rifle, you don't say if it's a semi or a bolt action, I could hazard a guess and say it's a 10/22 if so again that's not unusual. If it's a bolt action then it's unusual, and I think you need to look at firing pin and spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I have a box that seem ok. Struggling to get some cci subs to group at all though. The CCI suppressor are fantastic in mine but the segmented ones are poor! Dave, Group wise you will find that's the norm with just about every rifle you pick up. As for the miss fire then that may actually be your rifle, you don't say if it's a semi or a bolt action, I could hazard a guess and say it's a 10/22 if so again that's not unusual. If it's a bolt action then it's unusual, and I think you need to look at firing pin and spring. Dougy it's a Browning T bolt.The group sizes aren't really the issue, I appreciate some guns don't like certain ammo. It's the number of failures I got from one box and the stink! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Cannot fault Eley subs in my 22lr.I find them one of the best grouping subsonic rounds and a lot better grouping than Winchester subsonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Weird isn't it? I'm totally disinclined to try anything else in their line up now. Perhaps I just got a bad box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) What was the batch No of the eley? In the competition world, eley followed by lapua then rws seem to be the cartridge choices. Edited May 13, 2017 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I don't know off hand I will check tomorrow I think I still have the empty box. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 hello, when i purchased my CZ 455 i tried 4 different brands and the eleys did not perform well, the most consistant were RWS so that is all i use, i am sure it is what each L/R rifle barrel shoots best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I don't know off hand I will check tomorrow I think I still have the empty box. Why? I normally only buy in slabs (500 a time), only trouble I ever had with eley was when gun shop put together a mixed slab from different batches and one box had predated others by 2 years and had 3 misfires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 A bloke at work has had quite a lot of misfires with Eley. He took a box back. He has bought two of his guns in to work and I have cleaned the areas around the bolt face and the chamber entrance where the ejector claws sit. It will be interesting to see if this reduces the headspace and helps to cure this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Never had any issue with Eley Subs. They're my preferred .22 ammo, have been for decades. Think I had one dodgy box in all the time I've used them. Hate the CCI subs. Utter junk. Winchester aren't bad though, they're my 2nd choice if the Eley are out of stock Rimfires can be very ammo fussy. Luckily its cheap so trying a few out isn't going to result in bankruptcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Winchester group superb in my Krico 22 lr! have no idea how as they look like something John Wayne has knocked up, every bullet is a different shape! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cervusman Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 I did pest control on two USAF bases for 13yrs and I head shot on average 150 rabbits a night with Eley standards. Subsonic ammo made to much noise when hitting the rabbit. Eley standards now called sports grouped better with better range and are still quite, I was using on average 150000 rounds a year with no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted May 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) What was the batch No of the eley? In the competition world, eley followed by lapua then rws seem to be the cartridge choices. 3516-30537 is the only number I can find on the box,Would that be the D.O.M and batch number? Edited May 14, 2017 by Daveo26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted May 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Winchester group superb in my Krico 22 lr! have no idea how as they look like something John Wayne has knocked up, every bullet is a different shape! I know what you mean. I've noticed that. The hollow points are different sizes! Tried the 42grain Winchester they were awful in my gun but it like the 40s. The most accurate were magtech subs from Brazil, The box they come in is cheap and nasty, it offers the rounds 0 protection from damage but they shot fantastically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sledge Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 cci subs are the best in my sako finnfire mk 1 1/2 inch at 60 y and 1 inch at 80 y if i do my bit fiocchi perform well also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valley boy Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 same problem my ruger 1022 jams every other ok in the cz but dont group very well i wont buy them again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 I spent years slating Eley subs as they were just hopeless in my BRNO where Winchesters were just perfect. Now I have a different rifle and much to my surprise Eley subs are about the best of any I have tried. Winchester being one of the worst. Find the round your gun prefers is very good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 The 22lr round is very reliable and consistent. I wonder how much of the variation that users are experiencing is down to problems with barrel conditions. Some people clean their barrel after every session, others never clean the internals at all. When I first got my Anschutz target rifle back in 1980 I religiously cleaned the internals. A bloke who used to shoot there just used to rock up after work and a game of squash and proceed to shoot 99's and tons just like that. I asked him about his cleaning and he said that he had never rodded the barrel at all ever. I have noticed that the barrel shoots better without any cleaning because it takes 50 rounds for the barrel to settle back down to zero. every time I set the gun up to have a shooting session, I have to shoot about 3 rounds down the barrel to warm it up and get it on zero. Once on, I can shoot card after card (10 rounds +sighters) very accurately. Internal leading can cause all sorts of problems such as odd rounds being out of group or being ok and then shooting all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenj Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 I have been unable to buy Eley subs for years in my area. When I bought my new Magtech 7002 .22 semi auto over 10 years ago it came with 500 Magtech rounds, which were cheap, but very accurate. After a couple of thousand more, I got a bad batch and switched to Eley, which were quiet and accurate. When the supply dried up, went to RWS. Accurate, but did not seem to knock over the rabbits so hard, plus a few recycling problems. Now using the 42 grain Winchester subs. As accurate, harder hitting than RWS, no recycling problems, but slightly noisier, although the rabbits don't seem to mind. I did a comparison blog http://www.urbanfieldsportsman.com/index.php/winchester-22-42-gn-subsonic-versus-rws-40-gn-subsonic-field-test/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 I did pest control on two USAF bases for 13yrs and I head shot on average 150 rabbits a night with Eley standards. Subsonic ammo made to much noise when hitting the rabbit. Eley standards now called sports grouped better with better range and are still quite, I was using on average 150000 rounds a year with no problem 709800 rabbits over 13 years ,thats a lot of bunnies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) Eley subs are the most accurate for my rifle after comparing other brands. Not had 1 misfire at all, find them very consistent. Edited May 14, 2017 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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