Would you pay to see your GP ?

[bornfree]

Why should you though?

Unless your a work shy bum?

( shut it Flynny , you'll get banned)

Night night

Flynny

I've never been called that before. After 36 years of 6 days a week continuous employment I guess I never will again.

[pegasus bridge]

When people say that they have paid in to the nhs, but have never used it, is a fallacy, the fact that it is there, is using it, like your buildings insurance on your house, you are using it because it is there if you need it, a lot of mentalities cant understand this.

 

You don't have to use something to benefit from it, your contributions have created it, as a security for you should you need it, what part of that is hard to follow.

I think it's the bit where poeople who have paid nothing in can also benefit from it 😉

[kyska]

When people say that they have paid in to the nhs, but have never used it, is a fallacy, the fact that it is there, is using it, like your buildings insurance on your house, you are using it because it is there if you need it, a lot of mentalities cant understand this.

 

You don't have to use something to benefit from it, your contributions have created it, as a security for you should you need it, what part of that is hard to follow.

This is a true statement, just reading in the background it's amazed me how many people have stated 'I' have used the NHS little.

 

How many of 'I's' have looked past their noses to see if their spouses, children, nieces or nephews or friends have had the benefit of us ALL paying into the NHS?

 

The NHS is a societal, altruistic web, coveted around the world.

 

Prescription charges have been mentioned, drugs costing less than the 8 quid or so we pay? So what, your 'insurance' will pay out when you need long term, high cost treatments, chances are you'll not pay anyway if it's that serious.

 

People should look deeper, the charges for a prescription (which shouldn't be coupled whatsoever with the price of the medicine) pays our pharmacies to operate.

Edited May 15, 2017 by kyska

[ph5172]

I think if push came to shove and the NHS was going to stop operating tomorrow and the cost of an 'equivalent' insurance policy was laid out i am sure most people would be willing to pay a few more quid a year to keep the NHS where it is. i bet a majority of people have had good care at one time or another.

 

I think what gripes most people is the people that come across to make use of our world leading universally free system which is up there with some of the best paid for treatment available in the rest of the world - funny how as soon as granny maud arrives she develops TB, just as she sets foot in the UK for the very first time, Little janice gets off the plane and goes straight to A&E as her baby is arriving early, just in time to spoil the once in a lifetime trip to London that had been planned for ages.

[Davyo]

Why is this turning into a Foreigners feeding off the NHS? The post was asking would you pay to see a GP.Paying to see a GP has nowt to do with those comming to reside in the UK.

Edited May 15, 2017 by Davyo

[kyska]

I think if push came to shove and the NHS was going to stop operating tomorrow and the cost of an 'equivalent' insurance policy was laid out i am sure most people would be willing to pay a few more quid a year to keep the NHS where it is. i bet a majority of people have had good care at one time or another.

 

I think what gripes most people is the people that come across to make use of our world leading universally free system which is up there with some of the best paid for treatment available in the rest of the world - funny how as soon as granny maud arrives she develops TB, just as she sets foot in the UK for the very first time, Little janice gets off the plane and goes straight to A&E as her baby is arriving early, just in time to spoil the once in a lifetime trip to London that had been planned for ages.

I think in the grad scheme of things it's a tiny minority.

 

I find the undertones quite sad, 'janice' come to the uk and has a baby, to be fair she's a clever Janice to stage arriving in the UK and birthing early, she wouldn't of expected that surely, it costs the NHS x amount.

 

The career benefit generations cost xxxxxxxxx's amounts.

 

I agree Janice is wrong, but we cannot put somebody back on a plane mid labour, nor can we charge them for the treatment if they can't afford to pay the money back.

Why is this turning into a Foreigners feeding off the NHS? The post was asking would you pay to see a GP.Paying to see a GP has nowt to do with those comming to reside in the UK.

 

^^^^^^^ this

[Gordon R]

Davyo, on 15 May 2017 - 7:51 PM, said:

 

 

Why is this turning into a Foreigners feeding off the NHS? The post was asking would you pay to see a GP.Paying to see a GP has nowt to do with those comming to reside in the UK.

 

 

It is entirely relevant as one of the reasons that this is being floated is because the NHS is costing more and more to run, whilst contributions are not increasing at the same rate. It's not rocket science.

[wandringstar]

my dad suffered cancer for 6 years, he must have had 100 different appointments, his bill would have dwarfed many many times what he had ever paid in. I know a man of 90, he has been healthy all his life and barely touched the nhs, its always been there for him though, his payments made that possible.

 

 

We were all born via the nhs, we used it at the point of our being.

[ph5172]

I think in the grad scheme of things it's a tiny minority.

 

I find the undertones quite sad, 'janice' come to the uk and has a baby, to be fair she's a clever Janice to stage arriving in the UK and birthing early, she wouldn't of expected that surely, it costs the NHS x amount.

 

The career benefit generations cost xxxxxxxxx's amounts.

 

I agree Janice is wrong, but we cannot put somebody back on a plane mid labour, nor can we charge them for the treatment if they can't afford to pay the money back.

 

 

^^^^^^^ this

I agree, in the grand scheme of things, as you say its probably very little - but its the thing that everyone sees.

 

Back on topic......

all the GPs seem to agree an aging population means that GPs are overstretched, along with the ever increasing amount of vaccines given out (15 or so compared to 2 back in the day) all adds up, along with people suffering different but related conditions making diagnosis / facetime that little bit longer.

It also said that in todays day and age with instant access to banking, fuel, food and the such people have become accustomed to wanting instant access in all parts of their day to day business and many now say its urgent as they know if they dont then someone else will grab the available appointment, this is further compounding the problem.

It did also say an increasing migrant population (especially in some areas) in compounding the problem, not through lack of tax, entitlement or the like but by lack of available GPs to cover the unplanned rise in patient numbers in those communities - usually poorer communities which seem to have more complex needs

 

Addiction and Mental health was another thing that caused an increase in need and time

 

There was a whole paper on it i read a few weeks ago i will try and dig out a link

 

So even if we did pay, without more GPs the same route causes would sill be there

Edited May 15, 2017 by ph5172

[CharlieT]

 

 

We were all born via the nhs, we used it at the point of our being.

 

Not all of us were.

[kyska]

 

It is entirely relevant as one of the reasons that this is being floated is because the NHS is costing more and more to run, whilst contributions are not increasing at the same rate. It's not rocket science.

Gordon,

 

I reckon his point is that the problem isn't 'immigrants' or whatever we label it using the NHS, it must be a tiny percentage compared to born and bred U.K. residents misusing and generational career benefit claimers.

[OJW]

There is a private GP and Physio on the ground floor of my office building. It's part of a wider chain.

 

It costs £75 a visit for a non member patient to walk in (which is extortionate but plenty seem to do it).

 

However, a benefit of work is that they subsidise it for all staff and for £100 for the year I can have unlimited visits.

 

Money well spent in my opinion. Living in London and trying to see an NHS GP takes weeks.

[ph5172]

As promised.

 

Its a bit of a long 100 page read and goes into all manner of reasons and causes based on a few years evidence and a grab of a few surgeries.

 

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/pressures-in-general-practice

 

Top paper (blue cover) Understanding pressures in general practice

 

You can download the .pdf for free

 

 

Credit to the source

The King’s Fund is an independent charity working to improve health and care in England. We help to shape policy and practice through research and analysis; develop individuals, teams and organisations; promote understanding of the health and social care system; and bring people together to learn, share knowledge and debate. Our vision is that the best possible care is available to all.

Edited May 15, 2017 by ph5172

[Davyo]

It is entirely relevant as one of the reasons that this is being floated is because the NHS is costing more and more to run, whilst contributions are not increasing at the same rate. It's not rocket science.

It may be relevant but probably a very small % on the grand scale of things.Its the way threads turn with racist undertones like 'banana boat'that sicken me.Paying GP's won't fix the NHS raising tax will.The 1st rate needs to be increased back to 25%.As far as Foreigner feeding off our NHS,They can because our system allows them.They have every right to use it equal to me.

Edited May 15, 2017 by Davyo

[paulnix]

It may be relevant but probably a very small % on the grand scale of things.Its the way threads turn with racist undertones like 'banana boat'that sicken me.Paying GP's won't fix the NHS raising tax will.The 1st rate needs to be increased back to 25%.As far as Foreigner feeding off our NHS,They can because our system allows them.They have every right to use it equal to me.

Raising tax won't fix the NHS it will just be a band aid covering up the mass wastage and totally inefficient way it is run, get that sorted and it will fix it.

[ph5172]

It may be relevant but probably a very small % on the grand scale of things.Its the way threads turn with racist undertones like 'banana boat'that sicken me.Paying GP's won't fix the NHS raising tax will.The 1st rate needs to be increased back to 25%.As far as Foreigner feeding off our NHS,They can because our system allows them.They have every right to use it equal to me.

Funny you should mention tax hikes - one of the guys in the office said today he wished that someone would just stand up and say, look this is how it is, we need to raise taxes or there is no way out of this, he did also say that benefits should be taxed at the additional rate (using your figures a 5% reduction) in the interest of fairness

 

a lot of other countries have a higher rated tax system than we do.

 

I think a lot of it is hard to quantify as a lot of pots are used to prop up others, so road tax isnt just for roads, NI isnt just for OAP and NHS

[AVB]

 

 

a lot of other countries have a higher rated tax system than we do.

 

 

 

Not when you factor in VAT and fuel tax and the lack of tax allowances. Some European countries may have a higher published rate of tax but have very generous tax allowances (mortgage relief etc.) that the UK got rid of years ago. I pay enough tax as it is. I'm not paying any more.

Edited May 15, 2017 by AVB

[ph5172]

 

Not when you factor in VAT and fuel tax and the lack of tax allowances. Some European countries may have a higher published rate of tax but have very generous tax allowances (mortgage relief etc.) that the UK got rid of years ago. I pay enough tax as it is. I'm not paying any more.

I wasnt aware of that, thanks for clarifying.

[Wb123]

Absolutely, finding private GP is tricky around here though.

 

Private gp with access to nhs prescriptions and secondary care could be a great way to sort out the gp recruitment and retention crisis without needing a full rehash of the system.

[AVB]

Absolutely, finding private GP is tricky around here though.

 

Private gp with access to nhs prescriptions and secondary care could be a great way to sort out the gp recruitment and retention crisis without needing a full rehash of the system.

 

I am surprised at that as they seem to be cropping up everywhere. Most private hospitals also seem to offer private GP services nowadays which is handy as you can get a referral to see a specialist and see the actual consultant at the same place. I once got a referral and saw the consultant within an hour although that was just luck as the consultant had a slot free.

 

I think private GP's work well within the private health sector but not sure how they work if you need to loop back into the NHS for secondary care.

[Gordon R]

It may be relevant but probably a very small % on the grand scale of things.Its the way threads turn with racist undertones like 'banana boat'that sicken me.Paying GP's won't fix the NHS raising tax will.The 1st rate needs to be increased back to 25%.As far as Foreigner feeding off our NHS,They can because our system allows them.They have every right to use it equal to me.

 

 

I don't believe it is very small - many arrive with serious illness or jet in for an operation. Those operations cost far more than a five minute chat to a GP.

 

I have no time for racism, but resent the way that anyone who questions why people arrive in the country illegally, or arrive to abuse the NHS system - is somehow perceived as racist. Racism is a card trotted out when an argument is failing.

 

My point is that they don't have "the right" - we merely have a system open to abuse, with people inexplicably defending that abuse. You couldn't dream it up.

[Davyo]

I don't believe it is very small - many arrive with serious illness or jet in for an operation. Those operations cost far more than a five minute chat to a GP.

 

I have no time for racism, but resent the way that anyone who questions why people arrive in the country illegally, or arrive to abuse the NHS system - is somehow perceived as racist. Racism is a card trotted out when an argument is failing.

 

My point is that they don't have "the right" - we merely have a system open to abuse, with people inexplicably defending that abuse. You couldn't dream it up.

I dont perceive as racism someone that questions people comming to the UK.The word arriving on a banana boat is totally uncalled for and turns it sour, i see that as a racist comment.

It's like the Passport post a few months back where one PW member refered to a passport officer who worked there as coloured,smelly and had a red spot on her head.Could of said he spoke to a officer who didn't smell to clever.

I'm also not arguing with you so have no need to pull this racist card you speak of.Im not arguing who should or shouldn't have access to the NHS I could care less.But it's like every post be it benefits,Brexit or the NHS someone always has to bring up people comming into the UK.Yes they do come into the UK but not on banana boats.

Edited May 15, 2017 by Davyo

[figgy]

I wouldn't pay to see a GP unless I was then exempt from paying NI contributions. Pay enough now never mind paying again I don't agree with dentists fees, you now get very minimal work done and it's expensive all they want is for you to pay private. Either have a NHS or scrap NI and we all pay for health care like other countries.

[Gordon R]

Figgy - agreed.

 

Davyo - fair enough.

[Me matt]

(Now this comment is in the right place 😶 please forgive me).

 

I dont buy into the whole "those that don't turn up to appointments" thing. Truth is - if you dont self check in or check in via the receptionist your booked time slot just gets erased and the doctor isnt expecting you. To anyone whos made that comment - tell me the last time you went to the doctors and was called in early because someone had failed to show for thier appointment?