Which hushpower

[AberFowl]

Looking to buy a 'quiet' shotgun for use near farmyard and villages

 

Is their a BIG difference between the noise in the different bores?

Looking towards 12 or 20gauge but if alot louder than the 410 I willgo with 410.

[Bluebarrels]

I've got the Baikal .410 Hushpower,it's as quiet as an air rifle(spring).At first I couldn't get on with it,but now I've got used to it I must admit it's a good gun and defo a keeper.

My mate had the mossy 3 shot and chopped it in for the Baikal single shot Hushpower due to the Baikal been better balanced.

Edited July 14, 2017 by Bluebarrels

[Bluebarrels]

The .410 is very quiet even with normal shells,the 12 and 20 are too cumbersome compared with the .410 for me,and IMHO a lot louder but that's to be expected of a bigger cart.

[foxnet22]

Looking to buy a 'quiet' shotgun for use near farmyard and villages

Is their a BIG difference between the noise in the different bores?

Looking towards 12 or 20gauge but if alot louder than the 410 I willgo with 410.

I was just about to post the same query about the use of the 9inch hushpower fitted to a baikel 410.as anyone had experience with one .

[Keith RW]

Bretton Gaucher Phantom, bolt action 410 absolute cracker of a silenced lightweight with open sights works for me around pens and feeders and clearing hedgrows wher ratty doesnt sit still long enough to get with the air rifle

[7daysinaweek]

Had both 410 and 12 fully moderated pedrettis for years, the 410 is quieter than the 12 but the 12 is also very quiet and would be fine around buildings etc. Only thing i found with the 12 was it was too cumbersome and i likened it to shooting a 27 inch coke can and a bit weighty. Like any gun if the sound blast hits a large object it will sound louder than shooting up in the air. They are super quiet for a shotty when shot into a wind.

 

atb

7diaw

[Ultrastu]

Hi .

Ive had .a baikal .410 and now a 20 b mossy pump .

My mate the same .

Between us we have done a LOT of experimenting with different carts (loud .subsonic .reloaded super subsonic ) and at the muzzle there is an audible difference between the super subs and sonics .

But walk away from the gun even a short way (30 yds ) and its impossible to tell the difference between any of the carts irrespective of cal .so even a black gold 32 grm 20b .from my mossy sounds like a 14 grm subsonic load from a .410 baikal .

So if your choice comes down to killing ability of the gun .then go for the biggest load you can .in either 12 or 20 b .

But for me other gactors also come into it .and thats handling of the gun .a 12 b with a big mid is pretty front heavy the .410 a lot lighter and quicker to swing .the best compromise being the 20 b .not too heavy but still with a decent load fired

 

Thing is a moderator on a shotty really works in reducing the boom from travelling very far .

But with in 100 yds they all sound like a gun shot so your not going to go unnoticed within 150 yds .

[Ultrastu]

Interesting thing with what 7 days says above is .

If you are trying to stay covert .and nit annoy people within say 200 - 300 yds then a shot that reflects back off a wood or wall does sound louder to you the shooter .but that means the sound isnt travelling as much away from you and hence will be quieter for those neighbours.

Conversely a shot into the air that sounds quiet to you the shooter will travel further unimpeded and disturb neighbours more .potentially

[Ultrastu]

One other thing .wind direction and wind strength play a big part in how far and loud the gun sounds .

On a still day the shot can be heard a long way off . (500 yds ?)

But in a strong wind the sound is very scattered and directional and the sound waves broken up significantly .

I was listening to my mate shooting his mossy 20b .hush away from me at about 80 yds in a strong away wind and the gun only sounded like an airrifle from 10 yds away .clieche but true

[quentyn]

Looking to buy a 'quiet' shotgun for use near farmyard and villages

 

Is their a BIG difference between the noise in the different bores?

Looking towards 12 or 20gauge but if alot louder than the 410 I willgo with 410.

i have a hushpower converted 20g beretta silver pigeon

 

shoots just like a silver pigeon if a little nose heavy, instant 2nd shot and quiet as can be.

I looked at the converted mossberg pumps and they just felt too long

 

From what I was told :

 

410 quietest

20g not a lot louder than a 410

12g a heck of a lot louder than the 20g

 

Hence I went for the 20g

[Rst1990]

There is also a difference in sound depending what gun you go for, the pump action is louder than the single barrel as it has a shorter moderator.

[Ultrastu]

The length of the moderator makes little difference . (Unless its a really short one .)

Ive compared side by side my 20b mossy to a pedretti hushpower 20b .which has the longest moderator you can get on a gun .and they were exactly the same sound at the gun amd from any distance away .

 

As far as balance and handling go that is subjective to the user .but recently i held a .410 mossy pump along side a baikal single hush and the mossy felt lighter and shorter and better balanced .

Its more expensive of course but then you get 3 shots also .

[JRDS]

I was just about to post the same query about the use of the 9inch hushpower fitted to a baikel 410.as anyone had experience with one .

Yes I had one on an Anschutz BA 410 and it worked a treat.

[Rst1990]

The length of the moderator makes little difference . (Unless its a really short one .)

Ive compared side by side my 20b mossy to a pedretti hushpower 20b .which has the longest moderator you can get on a gun .and they were exactly the same sound at the gun amd from any distance away .

 

As far as balance and handling go that is subjective to the user .but recently i held a .410 mossy pump along side a baikal single hush and the mossy felt lighter and shorter and better balanced .

Its more expensive of course but then you get 3 shots also .

I'm surprised it makes little difference in the 20b. I own a moss pump 410 and a single barrel baikal 410 and using the same ammunition and pointing the shotguns at the same target the mossberg is louder 100%

Cartridge of choice was eley magnum.

[Bluebarrels]

The length of the moderator makes little difference . (Unless its a really short one .)

Ive compared side by side my 20b mossy to a pedretti hushpower 20b .which has the longest moderator you can get on a gun .and they were exactly the same sound at the gun amd from any distance away .

As far as balance and handling go that is subjective to the user .but recently i held a .410 mossy pump along side a baikal single hush and the mossy felt lighter and shorter and better balanced .

Its more expensive of course but then you get 3 shots also .

My mate finds the Hushpower much better balanced than the Mossy,that much so he sold the mossy on and replaced it with the Baikal,I must say I agree with him 100%,atb BB

[Cranfield]

I tried out the 12ga and the .410 pump at their (Saddlery & Gunrooms) field .

I then loaned a 20ga pump for a month and then a 20ga O/U for a month (not from them).

 

I found 12ga the loudest, the .410 and the 20ga pump slightly unwieldy (I had to remove the moderator to get it in the gun cabinet) and the 20ga O/U just right.

The "point of aim" is good, ,the noise level low and its not too long.

[Ultrastu]

I'm surprised it makes little difference in the 20b. I own a moss pump 410 and a single barrel baikal 410 and using the same ammunition and pointing the shotguns at the same target the mossberg is louder 100%

Cartridge of choice was eley magnum.

Yep rst .at the gun the shooter will hear a difference the 20 b will sound louder (as i stated above ) but move away 30 ,50 yds and they all sound the same . (To be fair i cant honestly comment on a 12 b hush as its been a very long time since ive shot one and that was an auto)

But really this conversation should come down to either .410 or 20b .as a 12b is just too big a gun for most people .

The balance between a .410 mossy and .410 baikal will always be subjective .many people feel the length of pull on the mossy too short (13 inch .)and prefer the 14.5 in of the baikal .

I like a shorter pull so 13 inch is perfect for me .i even shortened my 20b mossy to about 12.5 inch brings the cog .backwards

I split my mossy to get it in my short cabinet .its not an issue for me .

I personally think the 20b is the peach when it comes to hush guns .

Either pump or ou.

[Ultrastu]

Sorry rst just reread your post .

But even for a comparison between the pump .410 and baikal .410 at range you wont be able to tell the difference ,and after all thats what matters .

[wj939]

I seem to remember sporting shooter or sporting gun tested a 12,20 and 410, long story short I think the 20 with subsonics was quietest at a distance.

 

Certainly the conclusion was the best overall was the 20.

[psycho]

The 410 mossburg is excellent and you get 3 shots

The 20 gauge over under is good for power but far too fat and like welding a drain pipe and just as quiet as the 410 with it having a full length silencer the 410 is a better carry as it feels alot lighter...

I own the 410 and if i could pick one today I would still get the 410 or wait 6 months and get a atec a12

When they arrive in the uk

http://www.a-tec.no/shotgun-a12/a12

And would use my semi auto quietly

[Walker570]

I have a Mossy pumper and to be honest I have not as yet found a factory cartridge which doesn't make a noise. Sub sonic should, like the Rimfire subs mean you get no 'crack' from the load travelling through the air. I have not found a so called sub sonic factory cartridge which doesn't make noise outside the barrel. In fact I gave up trying as certainly the Eley 3 inch so called subs where just as nosy as all else. I still like the gun, but would love to find a standard barrel for it.

[Ultrastu]

I reloaded some of my standard 20 b carts which are supposed to go at around 1250 fps so just supersonic

I took 25 % of the powder out of the cart and replaced the lead shot .

This made the gun feel much softer in the shoulder and at the gun the shot sounded a lot quieter than a standard cart .i expected that the cart was now easily subsonic and was very excited to think i had adapted a standard cart into a subsonic one and could be used very covertly .

I then proceeded to make a couole more and show my mate who has the same gun .we did a test at muzzle and he confirmed that the 75 % powder carts seemed much quieter .we then stood at different ranges 30 and 50 yds and both fired and both listened to the shots comparing the 75 % with a standard 100 % cart .neither of us could tell which was which .identical .both just sounded like a supressed shotgun .

That was the end of my exprimenting with different carts .

Just buy the cart that is cheap or kills birds well .thats it .done