Gerry78 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Think we all agree to disagree that lad gets the right cartridge he will do alright My advice is just go out roostshooter1 and enjoy urself theres been days ive shot **** and days id make george digweed take notice lol though not many days like digweed lol Just nice getting away from the troubles of life shooting on the marsh/ lough/ estate/ or fields good luck anyway let the forum know how you get on mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) I dont understand why people not testing steel cartridges on crows or pigeons BEFORE they have to shoot ducks and have to choose cartridges and dont now a think about it and havent shot a single steel cartridge...or is it just me that dont know a think about it.... Edited September 25, 2017 by Kraai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Hello After some info from you guys I am shooting another driven duck day in 3 weeks and just wondered what steel carts would be good Last week i used gamebore silver steel and they were **** Many thanks Ben In my experience ALL steel are **** Maybe that is why we used lead for all of those years ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 In my experience ALL steel are **** Maybe that is why we used lead for all of those years ? I am sure if you say that all steel carts are xxxx you have to take some shooting lesson... whe have no choice and have to shoot steel since 2008 if i go hunting the other side of the border i could use lead but i dont so dont say that steel carts are not good...whe shoot everything with steel uou just have to shoot straigter and that is a problem for a few people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) In my experience ALL steel are **** Maybe that is why we used lead for all of those years ? Do you mind me asking when was the last time you used steel? I used some of the fiocchi 35g steel last season to good effect, I would also like to point out my young lad used the same cartridges and he shot more ducks than me! Edited September 25, 2017 by Ttfjlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 I am sure if you say that all steel carts are xxxx you have to take some shooting lesson... whe have no choice and have to shoot steel since 2008 if i go hunting the other side of the border i could use lead but i dont so dont say that steel carts are not good...whe shoot everything with steel uou just have to shoot straigter and that is a problem for a few people Compared to lead, steel is **** and I do NOT require a shooting lesson to back that up, I have merely to speak to other shooters who have as much shooting experience as myself. It does no longer apply to me as I do not shoot ducks. I am unable to get out onto the marsh now and no longer having a dog, I would not consider it anyway. On the occasional driven days that I still shoot, I just avoid those with ducks. I now prefer to watch the thousands of pinks (they are a type of goose) that drop on my shooting permissions. Still, I hope that you are able to enjoy as long a shooting career as I have had, using steel, or whatever else, ill thought out legislation thrusts upon you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) I like steel, shot hundreds of crows this summer with it - not seen any difference with changing from lead. Edit to say gamebore super steel 32g 4's or 5's. Edited September 25, 2017 by WelshAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Compared to lead, steel is **** and I do NOT require a shooting lesson to back that up, I have merely to speak to other shooters who have as much shooting experience as myself. It does no longer apply to me as I do not shoot ducks. I am unable to get out onto the marsh now and no longer having a dog, I would not consider it anyway. On the occasional driven days that I still shoot, I just avoid those with ducks. I now prefer to watch the thousands of pinks (they are a type of goose) that drop on my shooting permissions. Still, I hope that you are able to enjoy as long a shooting career as I have had, using steel, or whatever else, ill thought out legislation thrusts upon you. It is strange that it is you that have problems with steel and others not... perhaps the wrong chokes i dont say you are a bad shot i judt find it str1nge that whe shoot everything with steel and have no problems at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayagunner Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 The 1 thing that I urge roostshooter1 to check on is the ability of his gun and or chokes to use the high performance steel loads, and hope you have a good days shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roostshooter1 Posted September 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 hi aya gunner my gun is capable of shooting the high performance steel loads as are my chokes im just after some recommendations as the gamebore silver steel load s were rubbish 3 different guns using them on the same day all having the same issues s I decided to try some eleys now for the next day I have booked I have nothing against gamebore as I use 3 inch and 3.5 inch mammoths in my pump and I have 300 gamebore rhinos in 10 gauge which are good shells thanks for the replys ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 I dont understand why people not testing steel cartridges on crows or pigeons BEFORE they have to shoot ducks and have to choose cartridges and dont now a think about it and havent shot a single steel cartridge...or is it just me that dont know a think about it.... Many only use steel on pigeons here , i use both lead and steel but mostly reload steel these days, reason is some shooters have falconers they can supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 It is strange that it is you that have problems with steel and others not... perhaps the wrong chokes i dont say you are a bad shot i judt find it str1nge that whe shoot everything with steel and have no problems at all I have a 2 1/2" chambered S x S game gun which I would not put steel anywhere near and a Beretta fixed choke 20 bore, which I have used on the odd occasion at duck, with 28 gram 4's steel. I was speaking more from the experiences that I have had when picking up behind those using steel ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 You can't blame a shot type on some shooters possible inadequacies or wrong shot size selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 In my experience ALL steel are **** Maybe that is why we used lead for all of those years ? This is just wrong Steel good . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 I have a 2 1/2" chambered S x S game gun which I would not put steel anywhere near and a Beretta fixed choke 20 bore, which I have used on the odd occasion at duck, with 28 gram 4's steel. I was speaking more from the experiences that I have had when picking up behind those using steel ! With al respect sire dont say steel is bad if you dont use it...i shoot every year 8 to 10000 steel carts on pigeons, crows and game and this for almost 10 years and i shoot 30 year with guns... all i can say is that if people say steel is bad it is not the cartridge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Westley i think the diffrence between lead and steel is steel dosent have the punching power that lead has regards deforming when it strikes a ducks body ive shot plenty of crows and ducks with steel and watched as the shot passed right through them they flew on then dropped down from the sky i know if i hada been using lead they would have dropped on the spot Thats why i drop a size down when shooting steel for anything With steel you have to be on point more Just My opinion but to say steel **** think you would have to look at USA thousands of duck harvested every season with steel shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Lead shot doesn't deform when it strikes a bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandladdie Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 I thought it was that steel wasn't as dense as lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Think it does motty steel goes right trough birds thats why you get more wounded birds with steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 I want my shot to be able to travel right through the target. If it does, that gives it maximum chance to hit something vital. If anyone can find me a "mushroomed" lead pellet inside a dead bird, please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 I want my shot to be able to travel right through the target. If it does, that gives it maximum chance to hit something vital. If anyone can find me a "mushroomed" lead pellet inside a dead bird, please let me know. Don't hold your breath waiting Motty, I think you may be dealing with the Flat Earth Society on this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Hi Gerry, I`m intrigued by your comment that steel causes more wounding than lead. All the empirical research tends not to back up your claim. This is another of those persistent anti steel myths that has no justification. Here`s a thought. Back in the day when one could shoot ducks and geese with lead, we used to get crippled birds. If steel causes crippling by virtue of it`s imagined ballistic inefficiency, what phenomena caused it when using lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 Hi Gerry, I`m intrigued by your comment that steel causes more wounding than lead. All the empirical research tends not to back up your claim. This is another of those persistent anti steel myths that has no justification. Here`s a thought. Back in the day when one could shoot ducks and geese with lead, we used to get crippled birds. If steel causes crippling by virtue of it`s imagined ballistic inefficiency, what phenomena caused it when using lead? Bad shooting 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 I stay with my point. A lot of people talk about steel cartridges without using them...it is strange that we dont get more crippled birds than using lead in the days... When you are a bad shot with lead it wil stay the same with steel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 With regards to the quoted Crippling and BAD Shooting. I do not think the two aspects are that linked, Bad Patterns Cripple more birds than bad shots Bad shots miss by such a huge margin they offer no threat to birds now if by BAD shooting one means shooting out of range for the load and being on target otherwise that is all together different. Marksmanship is inly part of the equalisation the oft quoted diggweed can not drop as many long shots as joe average if his load is not performing, the pattern plate is a teller of many things without all the stathes in the gate the sheep will get out no one of them is more important, you need marksmanship skill good patterning loads and experience in equal measure to be efficient fall short anywhere cripples will result regardless of shot type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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