rimmie Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 New HMR round coming soon !! Loaded with a SPEER VNT bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 http://www.varminter.com/new-cci-17hmr-vnt-rimfire-ammunition/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 I was going to say something along the lines of reinventing the wheel. But probably more like trying to put the wheel back on. Something j don't shoot anymore but for those that still do, I hope it's as good as they (And usually do) make out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Well that will be the same 2650 fps as the A17 CCI's l've been using the past year, but oh that yellow tip, as against the grey one fitted on the A17's will make all the difference to whatever is hit, not! Another repackage job l'm afraid + no doubt a price increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miki Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pigeon Shredder. said: Another repackage job l'm afraid + no doubt a price increase. Hopefully not - we are being ripped enough here in the UK for ammo, however I fear you might be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) The latest batch of Hornady I have seems to be back to the standards of old, certainly shoots great in my Annie and no split cases etc. Edited January 4, 2018 by JRDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mayer Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 New bullet, the Speer VNT. They are saying it has a thinner jacket than the VMax, so more explosive. We'll do more on it in about a week, when we have some ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Eric Mayer said: New bullet, the Speer VNT. They are saying it has a thinner jacket than the VMax, so more explosive. We'll do more on it in about a week, when we have some ammo. It will be interesting to read your findings Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 7 hours ago, Eric Mayer said: New bullet, the Speer VNT. They are saying it has a thinner jacket than the VMax, so more explosive. We'll do more on it in about a week, when we have some ammo. Really so Please tell/explain what " Explosive " they have built into the Tips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, 6.5x55SE said: Really so Please tell/explain what " Explosive " they have built into the Tips Think I know what Eric meant and no pun intended but it's not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 So possibly thinner jackets, Mmm not going to be too good on Fox's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dougy said: So possibly thinner jackets, Mmm not going to be too good on Fox's. That's why you have the 20gr, hits and penetrate's harder/further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Pigeon Shredder. said: That's why you have the 20gr, hits and penetrate's harder/further. That's all fine and dandy if your rifle shoots same POA with both and you manage to swap over bullets in the little time you have. But unlikely in any event, that's assuming I'm correct regarding jacket thickness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, wymberley said: Think I know what Eric meant and no pun intended but it's not rocket science. Never So would it possibly mean a Thinner Highly FRAGMENTING Projectile or are you going to miss my Tounge in Cheek comment AGAIN and use the Term Head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 04/01/2018 at 19:12, Pigeon Shredder. said: Well that will be the same 2650 fps as the A17 CCI's l've been using the past year, but oh that yellow tip, as against the grey one fitted on the A17's will make all the difference to whatever is hit, not! Another repackage job l'm afraid + no doubt a price increase. Yup, looks to be just the a17 rebranded http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=949CC But remember - unless you own a Savage Arms A17 you shouldn't be buying ammo dedicated for that rifle ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Dougy said: That's all fine and dandy if your rifle shoots same POA with both and you manage to swap over bullets in the little time you have. But unlikely in any event, that's assuming I'm correct regarding jacket thickness. If you are out on rabbits, the Gamepoint is better than poly tipped anyway IMO. Good kills with less meat waste. 20gr was certainly my round of choice when it was my main rabbit gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Harry Callahan said: If you are out on rabbits, the Gamepoint is better than poly tipped anyway IMO. Good kills with less meat waste. 20gr was certainly my round of choice when it was my main rabbit gun. I still use the 20grain but they are vmax not hollow point. Never really bothered with the heads so they get blown off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 I use the HMR for pure rabbit control, there's not much need for fox control where I shoot. What is a VNT bullet - and has anyone on here tried them yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I use the HMR for pure rabbit control, there's not much need for fox control where I shoot. What is a VNT bullet - and has anyone on here tried them yet? I don't think there in the UK yet Dave. I think it's the be all and end all of all HMR bullets. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I use the HMR for pure rabbit control, there's not much need for fox control where I shoot. What is a VNT bullet - and has anyone on here tried them yet? 2650fps instead of 2550fps for the 17gr V-Max. Thinner jacketing of the bullet meaning it fragments quicker/easier causing more damage. But as said above looks like a 'rebranded' A17 which was developed for the Savage Arms A17 .17hmr semi-automatic rifle... I'd personally just like the extra energy in existing rounds. 40 minutes ago, Dougy said: I still use the 20grain but they are vmax not hollow point. Never really bothered with the heads so they get blown off. That's a fair point. I'm guilty of the odd chest area shot, so the Gamepoint tended to keep meat waste to a minimum without compromising kill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Harry Callahan said: 2650fps instead of 2550fps for the 17gr V-Max. Thinner jacketing of the bullet meaning it fragments quicker/easier causing more damage. But as said above looks like a 'rebranded' A17 which was developed for the Savage Arms A17 .17hmr semi-automatic rifle... I'd personally just like the extra energy in existing rounds. That's a fair point. I'm guilty of the odd chest area shot, so the Gamepoint tended to keep meat waste to a minimum without compromising kill I'd assume it's more reliable regarding missfires to be considered suitable for a semi if anyone routinely double taps. I'm liking the added frangibility aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I'd assume it's more reliable regarding missfires to be considered suitable for a semi if anyone routinely double taps. I'm liking the added frangibility aspect. Not sure really - Pigeon Shredder says he is using the A17 bullets, so they must be available already (it is the link to them I posted earlier in this thread). They come in boxes of 200!! I had actually thought the .17hmr semi-auto dream had been buried after the problems encountered in the early days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, Harry Callahan said: 2650fps instead of 2550fps for the 17gr V-Max. Thinner jacketing of the bullet meaning it fragments quicker/easier causing more damage. But as said above looks like a 'rebranded' A17 which was developed for the Savage Arms A17 .17hmr semi-automatic rifle... I'd personally just like the extra energy in existing rounds. That's a fair point. I'm guilty of the odd chest area shot, so the Gamepoint tended to keep meat waste to a minimum without compromising kill I've got my 20 grain Vmax doing a tad more than 2650, the average is 4450. I hope that they have finally got round to sorting out the ammunition issues out with what was once a lovely round to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Harry Callahan said: Yup, looks to be just the a17 rebranded http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=949CC But remember - unless you own a Savage Arms A17 you shouldn't be buying ammo dedicated for that rifle ? Can l ask why you come across with your last statement regarding ammo to rifle specific. This cartridge has been fired very successfully in HMR bolt action rifles, mine included. lts a very accurate round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, Pigeon Shredder. said: Can l ask why you come across with your last statement regarding ammo to rifle specific. This cartridge has been fired very successfully in HMR bolt action rifles, mine included. lts a very accurate round. True. The A17’s can be used in bolt guns. They achieve higher velocities in a bolt gun than they do in a semi auto according to a review I read. I recently bought some, but haven’t given them a try yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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