stumpy69 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I am going to give a friend 14 rounds which don’t get on with my rifle. Officially do I have to write this on his certificate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Yes officially you do have to enter it on his certificate ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 14 rounds,,, Just hand them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 51 minutes ago, AYA117 said: Yes officially you do have to enter it on his certificate ! No you don't. Check and make sure he/she has that calibre rifle hand them over . Only a RFD has to write/enter them onto the FAC License. I checked this along with getting Projectiles from abroad with Firearms HQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, 6.5x55SE said: No you don't. Check and make sure he/she has that calibre rifle hand them over . Only a RFD has to write/enter them onto the FAC License. I checked this along with getting Projectiles from abroad with Firearms HQ Sorry but what they told you is not true ! Check on your certificate where ammunition is entered and look at E where it says 'Authority to posses (e.g. firearm certificate or dealer's registration number) and B says 'Name and address of person selling or transferring ammunition' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, AYA117 said: Sorry but what they told you is not true ! Check on your certificate where ammunition is entered and look at E where it says 'Authority to posses (e.g. firearm certificate or dealer's registration number) and B says 'Name and address of person selling or transferring ammunition' Yes Selling RFD . Also I've held a FAC for 40+ years I personally have never had a issue doing as directed by my Firearms department if you have then please feel free to contact Cambridgeshire HQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, 6.5x55SE said: Yes Selling RFD . Also I've held a FAC for 40+ years I personally have never had a issue doing as directed by my Firearms department if you have then please feel free to contact Cambridgeshire HQ Whether your firearms department tell you to do it or not it is incorrect. Doing something for a long time doesn't make it right either. The transfer of ammunition has to be entered into the recipient's certificate. "Authority to possess" and "name and address" is not limited to RFD. It means anyone transferring ammo. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, eddoakley said: Whether your firearms department tell you to do it or not it is incorrect. Doing something for a long time doesn't make it right either. The transfer of ammunition has to be entered into the recipient's certificate. "Authority to possess" and "name and address" is not limited to RFD. It means anyone transferring ammo. Edd Thank you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) It doesn't matter what your firearms department or FEO tells you, it's your FAC you have to comply with, not their interpretation of it. You have to fill in table 2 (Ammunition) if you give or sell any ammo to another FAC holder. The gentleman above who says otherwise is mistaken and/or has been given wrong information by his firearms team. Edited February 20, 2018 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Blimey. Just pass them over. And for goodness sake don't tell the pw law society or you will be tried and hung this coming Friday at 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dougy said: Blimey. Just pass them over. And for goodness sake don't tell the pw law society or you will be tried and hung this coming Friday at 9. I was only answering the original question ! There are many things that should 'officially' be done Aren't hangings done at sun up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Dam I just loaded 500 .357 do I put them on my certificate? The amount I reload it would have to be 10 foot long it's 14 rounds FGS not 1400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, deershooter said: Dam I just loaded 500 .357 do I put them on my certificate? The amount I reload it would have to be 10 foot long it's 14 rounds FGS not 1400 If it was 1400 should he then enter then onto the recipient's certificate? 1 or 100000 the facts don't change. The transfer of ANY ammunition must be recorded on FAC. I know that in the real world people give away ammo all the time but that's not the question here and is not the point. Someone has asked how to do it properly and the answer is to recorded it on the certificate regardless of quantity. Edd Edited February 21, 2018 by eddoakley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, eddoakley said: If it was 1400 should he then enter then onto the recipient's certificate? 1 or 100000 the facts don't change. The transfer of ANY ammunition must be recorded on FAC. I know that in the real world people give away ammo all the time but that's not the question here and is not the point. Someone has asked how to do it properly and the answer is to recorded it on the certificate regardless of quantity. Edd This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, walshie said: It doesn't matter what your firearms department or FEO tells you, it's your FAC you have to comply with, not their interpretation of it. You have to fill in table 2 (Ammunition) if you give or sell any ammo to another FAC holder. The gentleman above who says otherwise is mistaken and/or has been given wrong information by his firearms team. okay in your world perhaps. i personally will continue to take advice/notice of my Firearms Department HQ and where in my post did i mention FEO. Edited February 21, 2018 by 6.5x55SE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, 6.5x55SE said: okay in your world perhaps. "My world" is the same as yours and the same laws apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, walshie said: "My world" is the same as yours and the same laws apply. Really so you authorise/ issue my FAC so as above I'll continue to act as I've done for 40+ years on my Firearms Department anyway let's move on life is to short Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 I do not buy factory ammo for any of my cf rifles nor do I have bullets added to ticket.... the flo can see my room is kitted out for reloading and if he wants to question my usage he can see the used primer on the floor or hundreds of pictures on my mobile all of me out shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, SPARKIE said: I do not buy factory ammo for any of my cf rifles nor do I have bullets added to ticket.... the flo can see my room is kitted out for reloading and if he wants to question my usage he can see the used primer on the floor or hundreds of pictures on my mobile all of me out shooting. When I purchase bullets to reload, my RFD's add them on my certificate. I don't mind this, as at least it shows that I am purchasing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 I'm buying bullets from all over the place... I'm not too bothered as I shoot at ranges as well have vermin shooting. so I can show usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 just spoken to Derbyshire firearms everyone is in the same boat you don't have to show usage anymore. if you reload just tell them they said when its renewal time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Years ago I reloaded all my rifle ammunition and always thought how odd it was that I could buy all the components without a licence, but when loaded they became section 1 but did not appear on my licence ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, 6.5x55SE said: Really so you authorise/ issue my FAC so as above I'll continue to act as I've done for 40+ years on my Firearms Department anyway let's move on life is to short You crack on mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) My ammunition allowance is let's say considerable ( over 12000 rounds for 8 guns ) apart from 9 mm I have not purchased a rifle round in 20 years I make them all nothing I make gets put on the certificate . However I have a loading log that lists every round I have ever loaded . Edited February 21, 2018 by deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, deershooter said: My ammunition allowance is let's say considerable ( over 12000 rounds for 8 guns ) apart from 9 mm I have not purchased a rifle round in 20 years I make them all nothing I make gets put on the certificate . However I have a loading log that lists every round I have ever loaded . Maybe more shooting and less reloading I think I should start making them too I am paying £27 a box for .243 not cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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