Guest stevo Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: You recommend the Super Game then? Haha ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 42 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: You recommend the Super Game then? Either of the latter two suit my needs, but the Super Game has the edge because both guns weigh in at 6&1/2 lbs - although as hinted, I've not yot shot the second gun - and the recoil is such that you're not quite sure whether you pulled the trigger or not. One thing to note perhaps is that in my experience the Tables lie. It seems to me that whatever choke the spread at 20 yards would suggest, when you get out to the 40 yard mark, this has opened up one full notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 22 hours ago, motty said: I If you are that bothered, stop wasting your energy on me, and start emailing all the cartridges companies to stop production of plastic wad shells. I mean, it's such an issue, they're bound to stop. Right? Don't be such a hypocrite! Not stop, no, but Gamebore and Hull have listened and released fibre versions of previously recently released plastic only wads (extreme pigeon and Sporting 100 respectively) whilst people still buy plastic companies will still sell to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagboy Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 For info: http://www.ramepbc.org/the-plastic-problem/shooting-and-marine-litter/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749117351424 https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/319796/shooters-urged-to-adopt-environmental-friendly-ammunition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 hours ago, stagboy said: For info: http://www.ramepbc.org/the-plastic-problem/shooting-and-marine-litter/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749117351424 https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/319796/shooters-urged-to-adopt-environmental-friendly-ammunition I WILL get shot down for this but it needs exposing, due to Motty and the other Norfolk lads shooting all the pigeons there are none left to carry messages so now they use plastic wads and the power of the sea to communicate....True Story ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Ttfjlc said: I WILL get shot down for this but it needs exposing, due to Motty and the other Norfolk lads shooting all the pigeons there are none left to carry messages so now they use plastic wads and the power of the sea to communicate....True Story ? I think you need some sea/salt Air to freshen you're Brain up ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, 6.5x55SE said: I think you need some sea/salt Air to freshen you're Brain up ?? ?, don't worry mate, I'll expose you as the one getting all the geese when the season starts. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ttfjlc said: ?, don't worry mate, I'll expose you as the one getting all the geese when the season starts. ?? No you won't I've retired from Goose shooting/Wildfowling only Deer Stalking now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 41 minutes ago, 6.5x55SE said: No you won't I've retired from Goose shooting/Wildfowling only Deer Stalking now ? Biggest story to break on PW ever! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spot on Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 you guys sure do get riled up ...bring back the good old days when all cartridges were paper and the wads were fibre ..oh the smell of a fresh opened box of varnished grand prix MEMORIES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Would cattle eat plaswads grassing? i have seen wads where they have been feeding and when they move off the wads are still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Fen tiger said: Would cattle eat plaswads grassing? i have seen wads where they have been feeding and when they move off the wads are still there. Spot on Fen Tiger. a area I've shot for 45+ yes has always had Cattle on unless really flooded. I will admit I've seen the odd chewed one and the several Farmers I've spoke to who farm cattle say they split them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 hour ago, 6.5x55SE said: Spot on Fen Tiger. a area I've shot for 45+ yes has always had Cattle on unless really flooded. I will admit I've seen the odd chewed one and the several Farmers I've spoke to who farm cattle say they split them out. That is how i see it and if you think about it cows look to chew stuff quite throughly so coming up against a springy wad they would do just as you say spit them out. I think this whole plas wad deal is created out of a whole lot of ill informed dreamed up trouble that does not exist other than in some over vivid imaginations. But that said there is no reason not to supose that some sort of plas wad legislation wont be imposed, history proves you dont necessarily need hard facts to bring about changes legislation when talking shotgun ammunition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted July 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 12 hours ago, spot on said: you guys sure do get riled up ...bring back the good old days when all cartridges were paper and the wads were fibre ..oh the smell of a fresh opened box of varnished grand prix MEMORIES Absolutely agree, something very special about the smell of a fresh box of paper varnished cartridges.......along with the aroma of Youngs '303" that hit you the second you entered the gun shop!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 28/06/2018 at 13:25, turbo33 said: I would imagine its only a matter of time before plastic wads are taboo. The recent drive to rid the world of plastic will not see us with a special dispensation to continue using them I'm sure. Plastic wads still seem to dominate the cartridge market, especially in 410. Most clay grounds round here are fibre only and its just common sense to me, to use fibre for shooting where livestock are likely to graze. Also, lets not forget, that shooting over farmland, is still some someones property and theres no excuse for leaving empty plastic shells behind and logically the same would apply to plastic wads. My point to this is, following on from Cookoff's post developing fibre loads. Great idea Cooky, and maybe something that reloaders should mull over. I load 12g,20g and 410 all fibre, and they never disappoint me with their performance. But not in a progressive machine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 29/06/2018 at 18:34, stevo said: Haha ? After the help you gave me with the Eley Superbs, should have mentioned this but forgot - my apologies. Thought I'd cracked it with your help as the 7&1/2s were fine. Never mind what the Eley hawk website says, just try to get the 7s in 28g fibre. I suppose it's to stop shooters using them for pigeon/game in an attempt to get them to buy their game range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 01/07/2018 at 00:33, spot on said: .oh the smell of a fresh opened box of varnished grand prix MEMORIES Gosh, I can remember that smell! Forgotten all about it. I can also remember umming and aahing about pushing a swollen one into the chamber, wondering if I'd get it out again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 I doubt the industry could cope without plastic wads. Most cartridges are loaded on high speed automated loading machines that need plastic wads to run at optimum speeds. They can load fibre as a special but only in conjunction with a much bigger volume of plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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