islandgun Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 might be of interest https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-45263434/culling-not-killing-stalkers-have-tremendous-respect-for-deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid .25 Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Definitely worth a watch ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Some could argue it’s merely a matter of semantics; in the process of culling, deer are killed. It won’t impress those who don’t agree with what we do. Elephants and lions etc are culled in some places, and look how well that goes down The reasons for culling are both logical and ethical, ( look what happened to the LACS when their their refusal to accept this backfired on them ) and for those reasons it’s worthy, but I’m not convinced culling as opposed to killing will change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, Scully said: Some could argue it’s merely a matter of semantics; in the process of culling, deer are killed. It won’t impress those who don’t agree with what we do. Elephants and lions etc are culled in some places, and look how well that goes down The reasons for culling are both logical and ethical, ( look what happened to the LACS when their their refusal to accept this backfired on them ) and for those reasons it’s worthy, but I’m not convinced culling as opposed to killing will change anything. Indeed, there is only a two letter difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 glad to see the programme getting good reviews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Yeah, quite enjoyed it. An in-depth series over a year would be well worth making and watching, as a good piece of educational tv for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 With no predators to control the deer herd, this is the only way to maintain a healthy stock level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 It would be good to feature the good work of pest/vermin control i.e grey squirrel and mink etc, especially those carried out on behalf of conservation groups like RSPB, English nature, SNH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 hours ago, islandgun said: It would be good to feature the good work of pest/vermin control i.e grey squirrel and mink etc, especially those carried out on behalf of conservation groups like RSPB, English nature, SNH There is 2 problems with ur idea, Most of those bodies wouldn't like to openly publicly admit they do it or atleast advetise the fact (just been a big fall out with rspb been caught controlliing vermin on there ground, members leaving which means less cash, which is wot there all about.) And 2, the may many of these 'conservation charities' (can add John Muir Trust and NTS to the list) treat red deer in scotland is absolutley shocking, no consideration for the deer or there nieghbours or local employment/econmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, scotslad said: There is 2 problems with ur idea, Most of those bodies wouldn't like to openly publicly admit they do it or atleast advetise the fact (just been a big fall out with rspb been caught controlliing vermin on there ground, members leaving which means less cash, which is wot there all about.) And 2, the may many of these 'conservation charities' (can add John Muir Trust and NTS to the list) treat red deer in scotland is absolutley shocking, no consideration for the deer or there nieghbours or local employment/econmy. Which is what we were talking about in another thread, its alright for these organisations to decry shooting but who is publishing their bad behaviour .basc, countryside alliance, seem to write stiff letters to the times but thats about it [ i would be happy to hear the contrary] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) Aye ur totally right some of our orgs should be standing up to them and in an ideal world these bodies would be entirely open about wot there getting up to anyway Must admit i enjoyed the program but that would be 1 of my tiny critism's possibly he could of mentioned some of the other things going on in the deer sector, the things is is the toffs/landowners/stalkers were behaving the way many of these orgs do the tabloids would be all over it. But that is getting more political and not really about his day to day life, plusmibee go over the heads of a lot of folk watching if they have no knowledge of deer or even upland scotland. Only so much u can do in 30mins Surprising even how few shooting/stalking men know wots going on with some of these bodies how they behave and treat deer which are ofen private enemy No1. Edited August 27, 2018 by scotslad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Couldn't believe how poor a shot his son was, no wonder he shot the stag at the end himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenshank1 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 "We are culling not killing " "Its all about what's best for the deer " (shovelling out winter feed and they are still dying) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Again it has to be said; if you're not happy with anything the likes of the RSPB, RSPCA, English Nature, the BBC etc etc are doing or not doing, then instead of leaving it to your organisation to 'do something', there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from 'doing something' for themselves. People are very quick to post on here to complain, but I'm afraid you're complaining to the wrong people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Scully said: Again it has to be said; if you're not happy with anything the likes of the RSPB, RSPCA, English Nature, the BBC etc etc are doing or not doing, then instead of leaving it to your organisation to 'do something', there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from 'doing something' for themselves. People are very quick to post on here to complain, but I'm afraid you're complaining to the wrong people. I presume this is aimed at me, It was a comment not a complaint, pro shooting/country organisations could be much more pro active at getting the point across. as I said in a previous thread it was quite easy to get TV coverage. A project i was involved in managed to appear three times on the Scottish Landward programme. not much but a start. conservation organisations can do it so should ours, i would appreciate any helpful tips you might have regarding getting our point across perhaps as a whole rather than individuals ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 hours ago, islandgun said: Which is what we were talking about in another thread, its alright for these organisations to decry shooting but who is publishing their bad behaviour .basc, countryside alliance, seem to write stiff letters to the times but thats about it [ i would be happy to hear the contrary] Where is the other thread please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 a pleasure to see something factual on tv his son being 15 may not have the experience therefore not taken the shot on camera as a lot of pressure on a young person to make a perfect kill shot first time on camera imagine the disaster if he pulled the shot and everyone seen the bambi run off with a broken shoulder to be tracked down and dispatched later his dad made a clean kill shot which proved to joe public the animal did not suffer strangely they showed the animal going down a clean shot more programs like this need to be shown to educate the un educated who do not know or understand where their chicken nuggets fish fingers come from as a nation fed from supermarkets everything is sanitised more programs like kill it cook it eat it etc shame more informative and educational programs like this are not shown as the masses prefer love island big brother x factor etc etc etc soaps this is a start keep factual programs coming why do field sports Britain getting slots to air their programs weekly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted August 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Mice! said: Where is the other thread please? It was the Mountain Hare population, Aug 14th mate.... scotslads info especially helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted August 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Saltings said: a pleasure to see something factual on tv his son being 15 may not have the experience therefore not taken the shot on camera as a lot of pressure on a young person to make a perfect kill shot first time on camera imagine the disaster if he pulled the shot and everyone seen the bambi run off with a broken shoulder to be tracked down and dispatched later his dad made a clean kill shot which proved to joe public the animal did not suffer strangely they showed the animal going down a clean shot more programs like this need to be shown to educate the un educated who do not know or understand where their chicken nuggets fish fingers come from as a nation fed from supermarkets everything is sanitised more programs like kill it cook it eat it etc shame more informative and educational programs like this are not shown as the masses prefer love island big brother x factor etc etc etc soaps this is a start keep factual programs coming why do field sports Britain getting slots to air their programs weekly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 10 hours ago, islandgun said: I presume this is aimed at me, It was a comment not a complaint, pro shooting/country organisations could be much more pro active at getting the point across. as I said in a previous thread it was quite easy to get TV coverage. A project i was involved in managed to appear three times on the Scottish Landward programme. not much but a start. conservation organisations can do it so should ours, i would appreciate any helpful tips you might have regarding getting our point across perhaps as a whole rather than individuals ! No, not aimed at you specifically, but all in general who take the time to come in here to complain ( which is fair enough) but who won’t complain to those whom they have the beef with. And yes, to those whom reckon our representative bodies should be complaining, you’re right, they should be, especially BASC with its purpose built media centre many of us paid for. But it’s so easy to claim that then sit back and do nowt; I have mates who do this all the time. They won’t wven complain to their shooting organisation! If you're not happy then complain; write to the letters page of your local press about misleading articles or statements published by those who have an agenda biased towards the monetary gain of themselves, gained upon the detriment of us shooters. The Panorama programme was a startling piece of misleading propaganda which could have a very detrimental effect on those who collect antique firearms, but the potential to indirectly effect reloaders. I wonder how many have complained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 or how about applaud the beeb for a programme done well? Seems everyone enjoyed it. 1 hour ago, islandgun said: It was the Mountain Hare population, Aug 14th mate.... scotslads info especially helpful Ta I'll take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted August 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 54 minutes ago, Scully said: No, not aimed at you specifically, but all in general who take the time to come in here to complain ( which is fair enough) but who won’t complain to those whom they have the beef with. And yes, to those whom reckon our representative bodies should be complaining, you’re right, they should be, especially BASC with its purpose built media centre many of us paid for. But it’s so easy to claim that then sit back and do nowt; I have mates who do this all the time. They won’t wven complain to their shooting organisation! If you're not happy then complain; write to the letters page of your local press about misleading articles or statements published by those who have an agenda biased towards the monetary gain of themselves, gained upon the detriment of us shooters. The Panorama programme was a startling piece of misleading propaganda which could have a very detrimental effect on those who collect antique firearms, but the potential to indirectly effect reloaders. I wonder how many have complained? I agree completely it is easy to blame but a lot harder to do something, I despair listening to vegans and birdwatchers or vegan birdwatchers telling the gullible, lies on tv or radio, whilst the shooting community walk away shaking their heads. I was thinking that perhaps small local organisations like those actively involved in reducing grey squirrel numbers should approach their local tv or radio stations and tell it like it is, as said, the local media appear to want information even a bit provocative, I have very limited knowledge of the rest of Britain so if your group appeared on TV last night my apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertt Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Radio perhap.... Being involved in a Grey Squirrel scheme the last thing I'd want to see on TV is a head shot squirrel and the accompanying acrobatics. Dead as they are, such a sight would be without doubt misconstrued and be very counter productive. Edited August 28, 2018 by Robertt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted August 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, Robertt said: Radio perhap.... Being involved in a Grey Squirrel scheme the last thing I'd want to see on TV is a head shot squirrel and the accompanying acrobatics. Dead as they are, such a sight would be without doubt misconstrued and be very counter productive. agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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