sabel25 Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 And we are led to believe the British juditial service is the best in the world "Only for the guilty" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Vince Green said: I am seriously surprised that the Labour Party allow Diane Abbott to go on shows like that because she just shows herself up every time. And when she gets caught out screams racism and/or sexism and gets away with it every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Vince Green said: I am seriously surprised that the Labour Party allow Diane Abbott to go on shows like that because she just shows herself up every time. Its partly a 'management of expectations' matter. If you are a fervent hard left Labour supporter, or a 'political novice' - you see any 'deficiency' in her performance as her being trapped, attacked etc. by unfair questions/interview tactics. You expected that - it had been predicted - she said she the interview would be biased as it was last time - and the time before - and you saw it happen, so the prediction was right. If you are a traditional Labour voter - you probably don't take much notice; many vote Labour because they and their families always have - and take no interest in politics. Labour is the party of the working classes - so you vote for them. Always have done, always will do - don't really care who their front bench team are - they are the party of the workers. If you are a 'deep thinking' Labour supporter, you are in an extreme minority, so it probably doesn't matter It goes the other way as well - those of us who don't support Labour are expecting her to make a Horlicks of it - and when it happens - our expectations are fulfilled. Politics overall is all about playing up to your audience and damage limitation for the oppositions audience. Only the very finest politicians can appeal to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: Its partly a 'management of expectations' matter. If you are a fervent hard left Labour supporter, or a 'political novice' - you see any 'deficiency' in her performance as her being trapped, attacked etc. by unfair questions/interview tactics. You expected that - it had been predicted - she said she the interview would be biased as it was last time - and the time before - and you saw it happen, so the prediction was right. If you are a traditional Labour voter - you probably don't take much notice; many vote Labour because they and their families always have - and take no interest in politics. Labour is the party of the working classes - so you vote for them. Always have done, always will do - don't really care who their front bench team are - they are the party of the workers. If you are a 'deep thinking' Labour supporter, you are in an extreme minority, so it probably doesn't matter It goes the other way as well - those of us who don't support Labour are expecting her to make a Horlicks of it - and when it happens - our expectations are fulfilled. Politics overall is all about playing up to your audience and damage limitation for the oppositions audience. Only the very finest politicians can appeal to all. The real reason she willingly goes on these programmes is because she charges a lot of money for her appearances. She has an PR agent who negotiates her fees and manages her bookings for her like she was some film star. To me, this is yet another example of the moral corruption that these people find normal. As a shadow cabinet minister she should consider appearing on current affairs programmes as part of her public duties not an excuse to line her pockets As such, she has no grounds for complaint when she gets difficult questions, They are not paying her because she has a brilliant mind are they? Edited January 23, 2019 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Vince Green said: As such, she has no grounds for complaint when she gets difficult questions Let's be honest, most questions are difficult for her. "Would you like a cup of tea Ms Abbott?" "Eerrr um, err, that's a loaded question" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Let's be honest, most questions are difficult for her. "Would you like a cup of tea Ms Abbott?" "Eerrr um, err, that's a loaded question" No its more like, big sigh...….., roll eyes...….., "Eerr um err, that's a loaded question" Edited January 23, 2019 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Vince Green said: No its more like, big sigh...….., roll eyes...….., "Eerr um err, that's a loaded question" You forgot, play with the abacus, and draw in the air too 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 She would say "I used to like tea 34 years ago, when I had a rather large "Afro". My hairstyle and choice of beverage have changed. I'll have a cup of coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, Vince Green said: The real reason she willingly goes on these programmes is because she charges a lot of money for her appearances. She has an PR agent who negotiates her fees and manages her bookings for her like she was some film star. To me, this is yet another example of the moral corruption that these people find normal. As a shadow cabinet minister she should consider appearing on current affairs programmes as part of her public duties not an excuse to line her pockets As such, she has no grounds for complaint when she gets difficult questions, They are not paying her because she has a brilliant mind are they? That is certainly true. I agree - if you make an appearance as part of a paid position in society/employment etc., there should be no fee for appearance. It is similar to a normal business meeting. I do however think that expenses (i.e. travel, subsistence, accommodation) should be allowed unless they are already paid for (i.e. Parliamentary expenses claim). Before I retired, I travelled to meetings, customer visits etc., and I was not paid any additional salary (or overtime, attendance, any other 'fee'), but I was allowed either car mileage (at the Inland Revenue rate), rail/air/ferry fares at refund of cost of economy ticket, hotel (booked and paid for by employer) where it was not practical to return in a day, and a meal allowance if working late. All normal practice for an employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciurus Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 I understand politicians don’t get paid for Question Time but might get expenses. You might be interested to know that in 2013 Diane Abbott was paid £500 to appear on Pointless and £600 for appearing on University Challenge. You couldn’t make it up!😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: ...……. All normal practice for an employee. Ah, but these people are not normal, they see themselves as special and have special needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, amateur said: Ah, but these people are not normal, they see themselves as special and have special needs. They get a salary out of 'government' funds - like a civil servant. In my book that makes them like 'normal' employees. They get their office in Parliament 'free' They also get a pension most of us would never get in out most optimistic dreams, lots of leave and subsidised meals, bar, free travel to and from constituency, 2nd home allowance, and a variety of other 'perks'. In addition - all normal 'office' facilities are provided by their employer (basically us) and they can claim for additional help in the form of 'researchers', secretarial assistance - where they often choose family members (something in my experience NEVER allowed for an employee in a normal business - unless of course you own the business) as paid assistants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: They get a salary out of 'government' funds - like a civil servant. In my book that makes them like 'normal' employees. They get their office in Parliament 'free' They also get a pension most of us would never get in out most optimistic dreams, lots of leave and subsidised meals, bar, free travel to and from constituency, 2nd home allowance, and a variety of other 'perks'. In addition - all normal 'office' facilities are provided by their employer (basically us) and they can claim for additional help in the form of 'researchers', secretarial assistance - where they often choose family members (something in my experience NEVER allowed for an employee in a normal business - unless of course you own the business) as paid assistants. I think that you missed my reference to their having "special needs" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Sciurus said: You might be interested to know that in 2013 Diane Abbott was paid £500 to appear on Pointless and £600 for appearing on University Challenge. You couldn’t make it up!😂 I can see a certain irony in her appearing on pointless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 We on this thread saw this coming https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6627787/Question-Time-presenter-Fiona-Bruce-told-stay-social-media-hide-address.html Sadly it has now happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 53 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: We on this thread saw this coming https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6627787/Question-Time-presenter-Fiona-Bruce-told-stay-social-media-hide-address.html Sadly it has now happened. Surprised she hasnt been called a fascist yet 🤣 If you havnt watched last thursdays QT , then I urge you to, the Abbott got no more flak than any other time shes appeared. She appears to be insinuating something occurred before the programme began, so the public have to supposedly take her word for it. She got a classic put down from an audience member (delivered politely) who said he was more scared of her becoming home sec, than a no deal Brexit. She really didnt like this. But then Im not sure she likes anything ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Someone's going to miss tomorrow's Brexit vote in parliament, as shes in court being sentenced. Bets on her getting a suspended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Well he has appealed the decision but has to hear her sentence before the appeal can be heard. Will be interesting to see what Festus gets too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well he has appealed the decision but has to hear her sentence before the appeal can be heard. Will be interesting to see what Festus gets too. She can still have her appeal, whilst she's serving her sentence 😀 Festus? Mmm, technically speaking, he's got to be the scapegoat, but he's pleaded guilty, so whatever he gets, she really should get worse? So if they give him time, they can't really give her a suspended, or can they...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 I do hope it isn't al a bit of a let-down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: I do hope it isn't al a bit of a let-down! Like Brexit you mean? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: She can still have her appeal, whilst she's serving her sentence 😀 Festus? Mmm, technically speaking, he's got to be the scapegoat, but he's pleaded guilty, so whatever he gets, she really should get worse? So if they give him time, they can't really give her a suspended, or can they...? I am sure the "high fliers" in momentum will have quietly been putting pressure on the Judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Yes, anything involving Professional Politicians seems to be a let down lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: I am sure the "high fliers" in momentum will have quietly been putting pressure on the Judge. I believe labour's dumped her haven't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I believe labour's dumped her haven't they? we shall see. I would not believe them if the told me **** stank. Edited January 28, 2019 by Yellow Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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